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OT: GHSA needs fewer classifications
Posted on 11/23/16 at 10:57 am
Posted on 11/23/16 at 10:57 am
Seriously, it's Thanksgiving week and we have 32 games!! 64 teams are still playing.
Not that those teams aren't good, but going deep in the playoffs is now a watered down achievement because some classifications are jokes compared to the others.
The top 44 being in their own class is fine by me. I'm even cool with the single-A public/private split, but shite, AA through AAAAAA need to be meshed down to about 3 classes.
8 is just WAY too many.
Not that those teams aren't good, but going deep in the playoffs is now a watered down achievement because some classifications are jokes compared to the others.
The top 44 being in their own class is fine by me. I'm even cool with the single-A public/private split, but shite, AA through AAAAAA need to be meshed down to about 3 classes.
8 is just WAY too many.
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Posted on 11/23/16 at 11:16 am to BranchDawg
Why do you hate children?
Posted on 11/23/16 at 1:12 pm to BranchDawg
The problem is letting almost everybody into the playoffs. 4 teams from each region? TOO many. 2 teams at most would be enough. I remember when only 1 team from each region went....but some very good teams got left out. I think 2 hits a nice medium. It's not the number of classifications (Although I agree that 7 is too many) it's the number of teams in the playoffs.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 1:43 pm to BranchDawg
Going this deep in the playoffs is watered down? Shut the hell up. Pretty much every team left is legit and below here.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 1:53 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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Going this deep in the playoffs is watered down?
Yeah. It's just math. Making the Elite 8 in a group of 50-60 teams is less impressive than making the Elite 8 in a group of 90.
Doesn't make a state title mean less, but it does water down things like quarterfinal trips. When you have 2-8 and 3-7 teams making the postseason, something needs to change.
The problem is it won't, because schools love that playoff $$ and when they hear "more teams make the postseason" they really hear cash registers.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 1:56 pm to BranchDawg
Cool. How many teams with a sub .500 record made the playoffs?
The level of football talent and coaching has risen the last ten years. Expanding the system was a good move.
The level of football talent and coaching has risen the last ten years. Expanding the system was a good move.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 2:04 pm to DawgsLife
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The problem is letting almost everybody into the playoffs. 4 teams from each region? TOO many.
The problem with this is that it is not uncommon for a three or four seed in a stacked region to be much better than number one seeds from weak regions. Heck, I remember soon after this format started, the four teams from Region 1 wound up being the final four in AAA. I'm sure it's happened since then, too. I know it's happened plenty where three of the final four teams are from one region. This is the reason we left the "South GA champ vs. North GA champ" system and went over to the new and improved playoff system.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 2:29 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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Cool. How many teams with a sub .500 record made the playoffs?
If one made it, it would be too many. In class "A" some of the teams had byes their first week. That means their region did not even have 4 teams in it.
It just doesn't mean as much when everybody can say they made the playoffs. Making the playoffs should be special. It is not when half the teams from a given region make the playoffs.
Just my opinion.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 2:31 pm to MeatCleaverWeaver
I understan what you are saying, but when teams with losing records make the playoffs.....
I guess there just isn't a really good way of deciding things. but I would be willing to bet that if 4 teams from a single region made up the final four of their classification, there was a HUGE upset or two along the way. Just a guess, though.
I guess there just isn't a really good way of deciding things. but I would be willing to bet that if 4 teams from a single region made up the final four of their classification, there was a HUGE upset or two along the way. Just a guess, though.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 2:32 pm to DawgsLife
Thomas County Central aka Central Thomasville made the playoffs at 5-5 in the 90s (93 I think) and won state.
ETA: That would've been in the next to the largest classification at that time. AAAA, I think. I can't keep up with each year an "A" was added in GHSA.
ETA: That would've been in the next to the largest classification at that time. AAAA, I think. I can't keep up with each year an "A" was added in GHSA.
This post was edited on 11/23/16 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 11/23/16 at 2:54 pm to DawgsLife
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Heck, I remember soon after this format started, the four teams from Region 1 wound up being the final four in AAA.
I told you wrong. 2/4 teams from that region played for state and narrowly beat the other two teams from that region early on in the playoffs; so, it was opined heavily that they may've been the best four teams in the state. I went to the GHSA website and checked my "facts." My bad. Don't want to go down as a liar.
Nevertheless, it does occur still where all 4 seeds from one region sweep another region in the first round of the playoffs, so I still think four teams is a good idea.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 3:42 pm to MeatCleaverWeaver
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Thomas County Central aka Central Thomasville made the playoffs at 5-5 in the 90s (93 I think) and won state.
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Thomas County Central aka Central Thomasville made the playoffs at 5-5 in the 90s (93 I think) and won state.
For me that's a problem. tehy got hot at the right time., but they obviously were not the best team.
Wait. I guess it would depend on who beat them. I've seen smaller schools play much bigger schools as fill games to test themselves. If that was the case, then ok. However, if they were getting beat by other teams in 4A....
I guess I am just an old guy. When I played only one team from a region went to the playoffs. I have to admit, I saw some very good teams get left out. I would think top 2 would get most of the top teams in the playoffs and still mean something.
Just for reference? When I played AAA was the biggest classifcation. You had:
AAA
AA
A
B
C
I played in AA. Several players I played against went on to very good professional careers. One played at Georgia and then professionally, and made several Pro Bowls.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 3:43 pm to MeatCleaverWeaver
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Don't want to go down as a liar.
Don't worry about that. Everybody makes mistakes.
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Nevertheless, it does occur still where all 4 seeds from one region sweep another region in the first round of the playoffs, so I still think four teams is a good idea.
And that's fine. I am just old school and stubborn!
Posted on 11/23/16 at 4:05 pm to DawgsLife
My biggest problem is that we've got so many regions where it's entirely possible to go 1-9 and make the postseason. Or go 2-8 and get a home seed. Heck, in 1-7A you can go 0-10 and get in.
Making the playoffs should be earned. If you merge AA-AAAAAA into 3 classes, you could go from 5-7 teams per region to 8-9. That's the difference in having to win 1-3 games to make the playoffs, and having to win 5-6.
It would also give you less meaningless games. It's all well and good having Colquitt and Mill Creek and Grayson playing great out-of-region games, but it takes some of the zest off those matchups when everybody realizes they mean nothing.
I'd rather have more in-class, in-region games that actually affect the postseason, than more meaningless showcase games.
Making the playoffs should be earned. If you merge AA-AAAAAA into 3 classes, you could go from 5-7 teams per region to 8-9. That's the difference in having to win 1-3 games to make the playoffs, and having to win 5-6.
It would also give you less meaningless games. It's all well and good having Colquitt and Mill Creek and Grayson playing great out-of-region games, but it takes some of the zest off those matchups when everybody realizes they mean nothing.
I'd rather have more in-class, in-region games that actually affect the postseason, than more meaningless showcase games.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 4:51 pm to DawgsLife
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If one made it, it would be too many
So let's screw over the the dozens who did deserve it because a handful didn't. And that makes sense to you.
Also, this isn't the 1970's anymore. We have had this thing called a population boom that's seen our numbers double. And when you played there were half the students but there were only 2 fewer divisions and complaining about it being watered down.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 4:59 pm to DawgsLife
[quote]hot at the right time., but they obviously were not the best team.
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Well, they were the best team at seasons end, but not at the start, and I get where you're coming from. New coaching staff had come in. They went on to reel off 4 more states in the 90s
Also, I'm not far behind you. AAAA was the largest when I played. I remember C classification schools well. My cousins played at a little country C school in the 70s that only had baseball & basketball. And they took their basketball serious!
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Well, they were the best team at seasons end, but not at the start, and I get where you're coming from. New coaching staff had come in. They went on to reel off 4 more states in the 90s
Also, I'm not far behind you. AAAA was the largest when I played. I remember C classification schools well. My cousins played at a little country C school in the 70s that only had baseball & basketball. And they took their basketball serious!
Posted on 11/23/16 at 5:07 pm to BranchDawg
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My biggest problem is that we've got so many regions where it's entirely possible to go 1-9 and make the postseason. Or go 2-8 and get a home seed. Heck, in 1-7A you can go 0-10 and get in.
No, no you can not. Every region has 5 or more teams except region 1 which only allows the top 3 teams in. The 4th spot goes to the highest rated team left. This year it was Lassiter out of region 4.
And if you look at 7A only one team made it in with a losing record.
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Making the playoffs should be earned. If you merge AA-AAAAAA into 3 classes, you could go from 5-7 teams per region to 8-9. That's the difference in having to win 1-3 games to make the playoffs, and having to win 5-6.
The reason we don't is because you would have teams like Mill Creek with 4,000 students play a team like Carrolton with 1,500 students. The large schools would dominate and it would be boring as hell while not giving a damn good team like Carrolton a chance to make some noise.
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It would also give you less meaningless games. It's all well and good having Colquitt and Mill Creek and Grayson playing great out-of-region games, but it takes some of the zest off those matchups when everybody realizes they mean nothing.
Who does it mean nothing to? What an absolute stupid thing to say. I can garuntee you that it would mean a ton to either of those schools to play as an out region meeting.
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I'd rather have more in-class, in-region games that actually affect the postseason
Most regions have minimum of 6 teams so again, I don't know what you're talking about. Having 9-10 team regions suck because it doesn't give you any flexibility to play teams in other regions.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 5:17 pm to BranchDawg
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Yeah. It's just math. Making the Elite 8 in a group of 50-60 teams is less impressive than making the Elite 8 in a group of 90.
Doesn't make a state title mean less, but it does water down things like quarterfinal trips. When you have 2-8 and 3-7 teams making the postseason, something needs to change.
2-8 and 3-7 teams have been making the playoffs for as long as I can remember although it's probably more common now. Really, the only way to keep some of these mediocre teams out of the playoffs is to go back to the old region playoff model in which only the region champions make it to the state playoffs.
It is ridiculous when regions are so small that 3-7 teams like Wayne County are finishing as a 2 seed.
This post was edited on 11/24/16 at 10:25 am
Posted on 11/23/16 at 5:47 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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The reason we don't is because you would have teams like Mill Creek with 4,000 students play a team like Carrolton with 1,500 students.
I'm not suggesting that big a discrepancy, but do you really think they couldn't compete with a 1,900 or 2,100 kid school?
The highest population school in 6A is just under 2,100 (Johns Creek). If you took the top half of 5A and put them in 6, the lowest pop. in the class would be right at 1,500 (Miller Grove).
You could do basically the same thing all the way down. There is a happy medium that can definetly be reached but won't for $$ reasons.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 5:57 pm to MeatCleaverWeaver
Teams with shite records win state fairly frequently in Ohio. Private schools from smaller divisions load up their schedules with bigger schools, go 5-5 and get the 7 or 8 seed in their region. They then trounce through the playoffs and win state rather easily.
St. Vincent-St. Mary's (LeBron's high school) did this either last year or two years ago.
St. Vincent-St. Mary's (LeBron's high school) did this either last year or two years ago.
This post was edited on 11/23/16 at 5:58 pm
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