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re: OT: Gary Johnson: We Need To Stop Criminalizing Personal Choice
Posted on 8/17/16 at 6:57 pm to dawgfan24348
Posted on 8/17/16 at 6:57 pm to dawgfan24348
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Put junkies in rehab centers instead of jail cells so they actually have a chance to kick their habbit and become a productive member of society.
If opiates were legal and affordable there is no reason why those addicted could not be productive members of society. Under prohibition addicts can't function largely due to financial enslavement.
Addicted doctors who have a reliable supply of pharmaceutical opiates often function well for decades.
Posted on 8/17/16 at 7:13 pm to dcbl
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I agree & I like GJ
But will vote for Trump
Where do you live?
Posted on 8/17/16 at 7:16 pm to Litigator
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quote: The War on Drugs IMO it needs to continue. I like dealing with clear minds. People seem to make better decisions when they are clear heade
You are making a flawed assumption here in claiming the war on drugs prevents drug use.
Posted on 8/17/16 at 7:18 pm to athenslife101
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I will say since he came out against cops, he is dead to me. I still think he's the best option but I'm just done with caring.
Maybe just maybe you misunderstood his words?
Posted on 8/17/16 at 10:58 pm to IT_Dawg
So use a straw man argument?
Posted on 8/18/16 at 8:08 am to Whiznot
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The War on Drugs works--just ask the cartel bosses and their politician overlords. Violently enforced monopolies keep prices high and maximize profits. It's like alchemy converting blood into gold.
And the hoardes of people earning a good living in the business of locking people up for non-violent "crimes"....lawyers, judges, bail bondsmen, contractors building and maintaining jails, contractors selling jails shite like fruit cocktail and itchy assed blankets.....it is a growth industry.
ANd then you have the post prison industries....like low rent housing, walmart, maacdoanlds...and employers who need a permanent underclass of labor to exploit.
Gary Johnson was the Governor of the land of enchantment....there are a heaping pile of folks in prison in New Mexico who he could have simply told his underlings to not prosecute or to not prosecute fully...he didn't do it because, like all politicians, he listens to the squeaky wheels and the squeaky wheels of the prison industry are very loud.....
There are very few things that adults out not be able to buy and sale - kiddy porn, protection (mafia style protection...not security) and murder for hire...cocaine, whores, moonshine, meth, gambling....all ought to be perfectly legal....
Posted on 8/18/16 at 8:42 am to germandawg
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whores
There's a sizable portion of the Libertarian population who don't see a problem with legalized prostitution. Just because you think something should be legal doesn't mean you endorse the practice or engage in it, yourself. I think cigarette smoking is dumb as hell, and while I support a person's right to be able to buy the fatal things, I think that public non-smoking laws are a good thing. If places want to install the airport smoker's lounge type glass cages, I'm fine with that, so long as it contains the smoke.
By the same token, if someone is going to ruin their marriage by fricking around on their spouse, they're going to do it, whether or costs them money at a brothel or not. Some European countries seem to keep a handle on ensuring that the girls stay clean, get adequate medical care, etc. Vote with your wallet.
Posted on 8/18/16 at 10:42 am to germandawg
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Gary Johnson was the Governor of the land of enchantment....there are a heaping pile of folks in prison in New Mexico who he could have simply told his underlings to not prosecute or to not prosecute fully...he didn't do it because, like all politicians, he listens to the squeaky wheels and the squeaky wheels of the prison industry are very loud.....
Bingo.
You could go on and on for days about what a fraud this ticket is and how it isn’t even libertarian, but what’s the point? Johnson has exactly zero chance of winning the election. I say that knowing also….that an actual consistent and principled libertarian wouldn‘t have a snowballs chance in hell of winning either. As much as I wish one could.
The grim reality here people, is that Washington DC is 100% incompatible with libertarianism. You might as well be trying to get a Christian elected dictator of sharia law Saudi Arabia.
It aint happening. Ever.
Posted on 8/18/16 at 11:19 am to Jefferson Dawg
There Jefferson is, Doesn't care a bit about civil liberties yet yells freedom is awesome while waving the usa flag.
Posted on 8/18/16 at 11:52 am to djsdawg
How can anyone not laugh hysterically at fools like you who get fixated on frivolous issues like pot and where trannys can take a dump…..when there’s an actual yes? or no? vote about to go down on libertarian issues like whether to keep america’s sovereignty or not. Or whether you think we should continue perpetual war or not. Whether to keep the 2nd amendment or not. Etc…
Yes, mongos, while you impotently navel gaze about lesser issues there are actual real monumental colossal seismic LIBERTARIAN issues at stake in the difference between a Trump or a Clinton presidency. Ones that will change the course of this nation and humanity permanently. Ones that will decided with or without you.
But, hey. Congrats on having super cool-guy trendy opinions about crucial things like pot and trannys! You should make bumper stickers so the world can be as impressed of you as you are with yourselves. fricking useless idiots.
Yes, mongos, while you impotently navel gaze about lesser issues there are actual real monumental colossal seismic LIBERTARIAN issues at stake in the difference between a Trump or a Clinton presidency. Ones that will change the course of this nation and humanity permanently. Ones that will decided with or without you.
But, hey. Congrats on having super cool-guy trendy opinions about crucial things like pot and trannys! You should make bumper stickers so the world can be as impressed of you as you are with yourselves. fricking useless idiots.
Posted on 8/18/16 at 12:41 pm to Jefferson Dawg
Nationalism is for morons. America is just a concept used to subject individuals to a burdensome set of rules designed to benefit a privileged minority. Individuals should be sovereign and above a subservient government.
Posted on 8/18/16 at 12:55 pm to Whiznot
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Nationalism is for morons.
Nobody is arguing for nationalism here mongotard.
COngrats on creating an opportunity to vomit out your 300th useless post in a row with nothing but regurgitated empty bumper sticker talking points though.
Posted on 8/18/16 at 2:05 pm to Jefferson Dawg
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laugh hysterically at fools like you who get fixated on frivolous issues like.....
Personal freedom from a burdensome federal govt? No one with any sense would because Civil liberties are far from frivolous.
This post was edited on 8/18/16 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 8/18/16 at 2:06 pm to djsdawg
He's got no chance at winning. Voting for him is a wasted vote. If you are voting your "conscience", might as well write in a candidate. All these candidates do is motivate people to NOT vote for one of the two candidates that have a shot a winning.
I'm not in favor of banning foods and drinks because of costs to society; I think there are better ways to address those issues, but, we have to get people to agree on what "harm" looks like and then draw a line in the sand on specific issues.
quote:"Harm" needs to be defined here, because you can argue that there are a bunch of negative, indirect consequences that affect others for things that seemingly "do no harm". That's the whole argument behind banning sugar and other harmful foods and drinks, because while those things may only physically harm the individuals consuming them, they add costs to society, primarily through health costs.
We need to stop criminalizing personal choices that do no harm to others.
I'm not in favor of banning foods and drinks because of costs to society; I think there are better ways to address those issues, but, we have to get people to agree on what "harm" looks like and then draw a line in the sand on specific issues.
Posted on 8/18/16 at 2:10 pm to FooManChoo
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He's got no chance at winning. Voting for him is a wasted vote. If
Only close to a wasted vote if it's in a true toss up state. Where do you live?
He has no chance because way too many people are fan boys of the 2 major parties, and love the lesser evil. They support the duopoly of big govt, and are afraid of anything else, even if it most closely aligns with their views.
Posted on 8/18/16 at 2:16 pm to djsdawg
I'm in Colorado. The state is probably going to go to Hillary regardless of my vote, but Trump is the only candidate that has a chance regardless of the state you live in, so any vote that isn't Hillary should be for Trump, IMO.
You're right about the fanboys on both sides, which is why both parties need an equal split before a third party has a legitimate chance. An Independent who only draws from one side only makes the other side more likely to win.
You're right about the fanboys on both sides, which is why both parties need an equal split before a third party has a legitimate chance. An Independent who only draws from one side only makes the other side more likely to win.
Posted on 8/18/16 at 2:21 pm to FooManChoo
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All these candidates do is motivate people to NOT vote for one of the two candidates that have a shot a winning.
That’s what the useful idiots of the legalize pot and tranny poop rights mongotardarian movement don’t even realize…..
If there were an actual real and viable Libertarian candidate with a large rabid following, there’d be an even bigger hatred and smear campaign against it by the msm and establishment than the one Trump is experiencing.
The only reason the fake libertarian party is getting more exposure than usual this election is to strain off as many Trump supporters as possible.
These fools don't even know who their friends OR their enemies are. It's 110% pathetic to the core.
Posted on 8/18/16 at 2:24 pm to djsdawg
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Personal freedom from a burdensome federal govt?
Maybe if you hold your breath, Trump and Clinton will drop their campaigns and unite to focus on pot and tranny defecation rights.
Unbelievable.
Posted on 8/18/16 at 2:59 pm to Whiznot
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If opiates were legal and affordable
What fricking planet do you live on?Opiates have NEVER been more affordable or accessible.I was diagnosed with shingles about 4 years ago and my Dr gave me a 3 month (renewable)prescription for hydrocodone which was covered by my insurance at grand total of $15 per refill.
This country is flooded with opiates of both the legal and illegal variety.
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