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Posted on 8/3/15 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 8/3/15 at 12:17 pm
Is there a point to this? Are they actually testing anything? I wait for an hour and they wave that magic wand around and then charge me $9. It's Grade A Baloney.
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Posted on 8/3/15 at 12:23 pm to FinleyStreet
I've never seen less than $15 
It's only for Metro Atlanta counties but overall pointless
It's only for Metro Atlanta counties but overall pointless
Posted on 8/3/15 at 12:58 pm to FinleyStreet
This is our bullshite government for ya. Just to give you some perspective....
The total volume/capacity of all gases in our atmosphere is just over 1 million parts per million by volume (PPMV).
Today's combustion engine cars emit hydrocarbons(0.3%), carbon dioxide(1.0%), carbon monoxide(1.2%), nitrogen(92%), nitrogen oxides(0.5%), and even water vapor(5%).
Now Nitrogen and water vapor are non-toxic/non-pollutants and they make up 97% of all gas emitted from cars. In fact 78% of our entire atmosphere is made up of nitrogen and 2-6% is made up of water vapor.
Carbon Dioxide makes up 0.0397% of the total atmosphere (397 ppmv)
Carbon Monoxide makes up 0.0001% of the total atmosphere (0.01 ppmv)
All Hydrocarbons make up 0.00005% of the total atmosphere (0.005 ppmv)
All Nitrogen Oxides make up 0.0000003% of the total atmosphere (0.00003 ppmv)
So literally we pay an emmission "tax" for something that makes up less than 1% of 1% of 1% of our entire atmosphere. On top of that, the U.S. only contributes about 1/10th as much of these gasses as China does by themselves.
The total volume/capacity of all gases in our atmosphere is just over 1 million parts per million by volume (PPMV).
Today's combustion engine cars emit hydrocarbons(0.3%), carbon dioxide(1.0%), carbon monoxide(1.2%), nitrogen(92%), nitrogen oxides(0.5%), and even water vapor(5%).
Now Nitrogen and water vapor are non-toxic/non-pollutants and they make up 97% of all gas emitted from cars. In fact 78% of our entire atmosphere is made up of nitrogen and 2-6% is made up of water vapor.
Carbon Dioxide makes up 0.0397% of the total atmosphere (397 ppmv)
Carbon Monoxide makes up 0.0001% of the total atmosphere (0.01 ppmv)
All Hydrocarbons make up 0.00005% of the total atmosphere (0.005 ppmv)
All Nitrogen Oxides make up 0.0000003% of the total atmosphere (0.00003 ppmv)
So literally we pay an emmission "tax" for something that makes up less than 1% of 1% of 1% of our entire atmosphere. On top of that, the U.S. only contributes about 1/10th as much of these gasses as China does by themselves.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 1:15 pm to FinleyStreet
Stop asking for the redundant responses to climate science on a south eastern football message board. Right now reddit is doing an AMA with actual scientists. Not e-experts or news outlet retards, climatologists who study this everyday. Go ask them, stop looking in the wrong places because you're trying to find a certain answer.
LINK
LINK
Posted on 8/3/15 at 1:45 pm to FinleyStreet
Its a complete BS money grab/tax by the EPA and state agencies...ie the Georgia Clean Air Campaign and the lobbyist for the Auto Repair industry play a huge part in making sure that this cash cow will remain in place forever...repairs for autos to pass emission testing procedure make up about 35% of their revenue in metro Atl.
Funny thing is if your car is pre-1990 its exempt from testing...ya know,an undo burden on poor people to fix their cars...and these are the cars that are doing most of the polluting!!!
Funny thing is if your car is pre-1990 its exempt from testing...ya know,an undo burden on poor people to fix their cars...and these are the cars that are doing most of the polluting!!!
Posted on 8/3/15 at 2:14 pm to BeefDawg
The only thing that doesn't make sense about it is that certain cars are not required to pass emissions. Otherwise - if you want to drive a car, you have to verify that it abides by certain standards. Logical.
As far as the sentiment that the US shouldn't have to do this when China is the main cause of pollution - i think the appropriate quote is "No rain drop blames itself for the flood."
As far as the sentiment that the US shouldn't have to do this when China is the main cause of pollution - i think the appropriate quote is "No rain drop blames itself for the flood."
Posted on 8/3/15 at 2:32 pm to ATLdawg25
I didn't imply that we shouldn't have to do this because China is the main source of global pollution, I implied we shouldn't have to do this because we're trying to regulate gases that only make up 1/1,000th of the entire atmosphere and our annual contribution to that ridiculously tiny amount is only a fraction of a fraction.
To put it in a better perspective....
Picture the inside of the GA Dome as our atmosphere. And then place a mouse on the 50 yard line inside the Dome. Then, that mouse farts. Now imagine our government taxing the gas emissions of that mouse fart.
That's essentially what is happening here with car emissions being taxed.
To put it in a better perspective....
Picture the inside of the GA Dome as our atmosphere. And then place a mouse on the 50 yard line inside the Dome. Then, that mouse farts. Now imagine our government taxing the gas emissions of that mouse fart.
That's essentially what is happening here with car emissions being taxed.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 2:45 pm to BeefDawg
It's a nice perspective, but now add in a couple thousand mice and the fact that if you don't keep the proportion of each gas within a pretty narrow corridor, other life will suffer as a result.
Pretend there is grass in the GA Dome that requires 78% nitrogen in the air. But the mice are farting 92% nitrogen. It may only be a few thousand mice, but over time, that balance of nitrogen and oxygen starts to shift. Then the grass dies. Then the mice die.
All because the mice didn't want to pay $15 for the right to fart.
At a different level - what is the complaint with paying $15 once per year (if that)? If you think of it as a tax, it is basically a tax to ensure that we aren't doing more harm to the environment than absolutely necessary.
Pretend there is grass in the GA Dome that requires 78% nitrogen in the air. But the mice are farting 92% nitrogen. It may only be a few thousand mice, but over time, that balance of nitrogen and oxygen starts to shift. Then the grass dies. Then the mice die.
All because the mice didn't want to pay $15 for the right to fart.
At a different level - what is the complaint with paying $15 once per year (if that)? If you think of it as a tax, it is basically a tax to ensure that we aren't doing more harm to the environment than absolutely necessary.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 2:58 pm to ATLdawg25
No, you're wrong and just making shite up now. Those numbers you're using aren't accurate. I gave you the numbers and an accurate analogy.
I mean think about what else you're inferring. That our government is doing something properly and with genuine and honest purpose.
LOL, ok.
I mean think about what else you're inferring. That our government is doing something properly and with genuine and honest purpose.
LOL, ok.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 3:07 pm to BeefDawg
I'm all for a safety inspection, brakes, brake lights, tires, mirrors, turn signals, shite hanging offa yo car etc, etc...
I live less than a quarter mile from Carroll Co. line... If I lived 1600ft further west I wouldn't need one...
Emissions inspections are shady as frick... IIRC...I think there's a limit on $ repairs can cost (maybe $300) & you spend that & you're good to go...
I live less than a quarter mile from Carroll Co. line... If I lived 1600ft further west I wouldn't need one...
Emissions inspections are shady as frick... IIRC...I think there's a limit on $ repairs can cost (maybe $300) & you spend that & you're good to go...
Posted on 8/3/15 at 3:48 pm to dallasga6
Don't forget it wasn't long ago you could barely see in LA..
The EPA may seem shady to some, but it's not worthless to anyone
The EPA may seem shady to some, but it's not worthless to anyone
Posted on 8/3/15 at 4:03 pm to olddawg26
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...climatologists who study this everyday.
When they aren't hustling and groveling for grants and funding from their government masters, of course.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 4:04 pm to olddawg26
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it's not worthless to anyone
Horse. I had to buy a new stove last month because of the EPA. A thousand bucks down the drain. Thanks, EPA.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 4:15 pm to ATLdawg25
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At a different level - what is the complaint with paying $15 once per year (if that)?
If you think of it as a tax, it is basically a tax to ensure that we aren't doing more harm to the environment than absolutely necessary.
THis is the type of nonsense that will drive a sane man crazy.
Humans are about a zillion times more threatened with harm from all of this do-gooder busybody meddling with taxes and with regulations etc than they are by the actual supposed "problem" you are trying to protect them from....
Posted on 8/3/15 at 4:18 pm to olddawg26
This is why we're all fricked. Too many retards actually put some amount of faith in our government and give them credence.
Freakin idiots.
Freakin idiots.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 4:38 pm to ATLdawg25
"It basically a tax to insure we aren't doing anymore harm to the environment"
Complete nonsense!Why give an exemtion to cars pre 1990?
They're doing the most harm by far to the air quality.
And the failures on emmisions testing have more to do with censor failures on your on board computer...Emmision repairs are a HUGE part of the revenue for auto repair shops in metro Atlanta...
Complete nonsense!Why give an exemtion to cars pre 1990?
They're doing the most harm by far to the air quality.
And the failures on emmisions testing have more to do with censor failures on your on board computer...Emmision repairs are a HUGE part of the revenue for auto repair shops in metro Atlanta...
This post was edited on 8/3/15 at 6:27 pm
Posted on 8/3/15 at 6:21 pm to FinleyStreet
Ah, the joys of living in or around Atlanta. I don't miss that shite.
Posted on 8/3/15 at 6:36 pm to LewDawg
Get y'all's shite straightened out down there so I can burn debris year round up here in north ga
Posted on 8/4/15 at 9:42 am to BeefDawg
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No, you're wrong and just making shite up now. Those numbers you're using aren't accurate. I gave you the numbers and an accurate analogy.
I used the exact same numbers from your post. If I'm wrong, you're wrong.
You bring up an analogy about mice farting in the GA Dome and try to call me out for expanding your original inane analogy?
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I mean think about what else you're inferring. That our government is doing something properly and with genuine and honest purpose.
Should have known that getting involved in a discussion about government would eventually lead to this remark.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 10:03 am to ATLdawg25
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but now add in a couple thousand mice
No you didn't use the same numbers as me. You arbitrarily multiplied the numbers by two freaking thousand.
Again, the atmosphere is 1 million ppmv. The gases being regulated are 397 ppmv. That's less than 0.04% of the entire atmosphere. Hence the mouse fart in a dome stadium.
You don't get to just change that 397 ppmv to 794,000 ppmv (397x2,000). Now stop being a twit.
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