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re: OL Depth- Recruiting 2013,2014,2015,2016
Posted on 9/26/16 at 9:06 pm to MeatCleaverWeaver
Posted on 9/26/16 at 9:06 pm to MeatCleaverWeaver
Wasn't Clevleand a 5 Star?
Catalina is solid football player. Say what you want and use anecdotal data... But he is solid.
Catalina is solid football player. Say what you want and use anecdotal data... But he is solid.
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Posted on 9/26/16 at 9:10 pm to Peter Buck
quote:4 star.
Wasn't Clevleand a 5 Star?
Posted on 9/26/16 at 9:13 pm to Peter Buck
Where did I say he wasn't? The topic was what was he rated out of high school.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 9:14 pm to MeatCleaverWeaver
Sorry, I didn't mean that directly to you.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 9:15 pm to Peter Buck
No offense taken.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 9:42 pm to deeprig9
You guys are trying way, way too hard to convince yourselves that we didn't screw up. You've labelled 3/4ths of the team a bust in the last few days, made every excuse in the book to avoid saying that Kirby hasn't done a good job. Face it, he's done a bad job. It's undeniable.
Maybe Smart will learn quickly and become Saban 2.0. But the fact is that Saban paid his dues for a long time. Smart is a rookie and there's a very high chance that he'll take this program back to the early 90's. That's the risk you take when you get impatient and fire a good man and a good coach who won 10 a year for his entire career, and also for the last 5 years, in case anyone is tempted to say he was trending down.
The fan base wanted to throw that away and bet it all on a get rich quick long shot. So, most likely, we're going back to 1989 and relive 7 years of bad football. Relax, let Chef Leppard back on the board to regale you with his tales of depravity, link some good music on youtube, and celebrate when we beat Georgia Tech every couple of years. No need to make 18 year old kids the scapegoats for our mistake.
Maybe Smart will learn quickly and become Saban 2.0. But the fact is that Saban paid his dues for a long time. Smart is a rookie and there's a very high chance that he'll take this program back to the early 90's. That's the risk you take when you get impatient and fire a good man and a good coach who won 10 a year for his entire career, and also for the last 5 years, in case anyone is tempted to say he was trending down.
The fan base wanted to throw that away and bet it all on a get rich quick long shot. So, most likely, we're going back to 1989 and relive 7 years of bad football. Relax, let Chef Leppard back on the board to regale you with his tales of depravity, link some good music on youtube, and celebrate when we beat Georgia Tech every couple of years. No need to make 18 year old kids the scapegoats for our mistake.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 9:45 pm to wdhalgren
Holy shite. You can't be serious? 
Posted on 9/26/16 at 9:46 pm to DawgCountry
quote:I think he is though, poor little window licker.
Holy shite. You can't be serious?
Posted on 9/26/16 at 9:51 pm to DawgCountry
I'm very serious. Did you honestly think that we had any idea what kind of coach Kirby Smart would be? Why would anybody think that? Great coaches are rare, you can't just pull one out of a hat, or at least it's extremely uncommon to do that. Saban's been coaching since before Smart was born, he didn't hand his defense over to Kirby Smart. Smart wasn't even really a coordinator; he was Saban's flunky, teaching basic skills to Saban's best in the nation recruits while Nick called the shots. If you thought that somehow meant he was destined for greatness in the next few years at UGA, his first head coaching job, time to wake up and face reality. He's setting records, of the wrong kind already and we're gonna take a few steps back for several years.
This post was edited on 9/26/16 at 10:24 pm
Posted on 9/26/16 at 10:25 pm to wdhalgren
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guys are trying way, way too hard to convince yourselves that we didn't screw up.
Maybe we hired he wrong guy but we fired the guy who deserved it unless you are happy with struggling to finish top 25, which is what Uga had become under your boy. We had 3 strong seasons in the past ten years and they involved pain.
This post was edited on 9/26/16 at 10:30 pm
Posted on 9/26/16 at 10:30 pm to djsdawg
I said above that Mark Richt was a good man and a good coach. I didn't say great, and if we had an experienced head coach with a good track record in mind, it would have at least been a decent gamble. This was a way long shot IMO, and given this choice I'd have kept Richt.
This post was edited on 9/26/16 at 10:31 pm
Posted on 9/26/16 at 10:32 pm to Peter Buck
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Wasn't Clevleand a 5 Star?
Originally but the analysts tried to correct themselves when they realized he was stiff as a brick. Of course you think a coach can make him the most fleet footed flexible player ever.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 7:17 am to deeprig9
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Now, if I go run these numbers for Ole Miss, Bama, Tenn, LSU... are they going to have more,less,or same # of 4* offensive linemen on their rosters right now?
Hard to say actually. You would think they would have more. But, LSU and Tennessee's lines might be playing worse than ours, wouldn't you say?
I agree that the star system is not perfect, but as a whole it does a good job. You did a lot of work to put that together. Thanks! It was interesting.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 7:19 am to deeprig9
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In four years, he'll have 12 4* OL to field a 5 man line with, double what he has to work with right now.
IF he continues to recruit at the same level. It's very difficult to project that out.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 7:22 am to deeprig9
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When LSU and Bama are done raping their state of all the best players, Ole Miss and Miss St split the leftovers, and yet OM still has slightly better OL recruiting than Georgia.
Well, Georgia has 6 players rated 4* or better, and Ole Miss has 6 players rated 4* or better. Granted two of Ole Miss' players are 5* and we have none, currently. But they also lost 1 of those 5* to the draft last year, so that makes it even closer.
And if you are willing to rate Gaillard as a 4* on the OL, then we have 7, one more than Ole Miss. I don't think it is too far fetched to rate Gaillard (A 5* DL)as a 4* OL.
This post was edited on 9/27/16 at 7:25 am
Posted on 9/27/16 at 7:25 am to wdhalgren
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and if we had an experienced head coach with a good track record in mind, it would have at least been a decent gamble. This was a way long shot IMO, and given this choice I'd have kept Richt.
And just exactly how does one become an experienced head coach with a proven track record. The aren't just born head coaches. They are promoted and given the chance to prove themselves. Give Smart a chance and we'll all find out but keeping Richt was like staying in a bad marriage, both sides are miserable. You've got to admit Richt had gotten lazy. He's even admitted it in interviews about how "reenergized he is" at Miami. We're 4 games into a season. Jeez, give it a frickin break.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 7:26 am to lewis and herschel
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Richt used a finesse offense that you threw to run.
We are the opposite and it is not working with the ol we have.
Would love to give Richt a pass on this....but that was early in his career here at Georgia. the last 3-4 years we ran the ball so we could throw. It would appear as if he did not change his philosophy in recruiting OL.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 7:30 am to Dawgman77
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And just exactly how does one become an experienced head coach with a proven track record. The aren't just born head coaches.
He realizes that. But think about it. What other major college can you name that seems to always hire an assistant and make them a head coach? I can think of one other....Auburn, and it has not been working out for them.
Don't get me wrong, I like Smart and I THINK he will grow into a good coach. But, in an effort to save money Georgia tends to go cheap and hire assistants. I really like the Kirby Smart hire, but I don't know if it is because I am caught up in the mindset of hiring the hot young coach, or if am certain he will develop into a great HC.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 7:33 am to GurleyGirl
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Yep, our class rankings over the years have been skewed by skill players.
If by skilled players you mean RB and QB, yes, that has helped. But we have brought in top LBs, and defensive players, too. You don't have top classes just by having skilled players.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 7:35 am to DawgsLife
I don't think the Smart hire was about saving money. I think the big money guys in the background wanted a) a Georgia man b) a Saban disciple c) a great recruiter and
d) someone who would reach out to the lettermen and reconnect with them (Richt has let this relationship go downhill). When it looked like SC was about to jump and hire Smart, GA made their move. McGarity wanted Dan Mullen but the Prez and the big money boosters nixed that in the bud. Just my opinion.
d) someone who would reach out to the lettermen and reconnect with them (Richt has let this relationship go downhill). When it looked like SC was about to jump and hire Smart, GA made their move. McGarity wanted Dan Mullen but the Prez and the big money boosters nixed that in the bud. Just my opinion.
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