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OL Depth- Recruiting 2013,2014,2015,2016
Posted on 9/26/16 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 9/26/16 at 5:18 pm
2013 OL
Kublanow 4*
Cardiello 3*
Bynum 3*
Welch 2*
2014 OL
Wynn 4*
Sims 4*
Baker 4*
Edwards 3*
Bonus- Gaillard (5* DT) recruited as DT but has worked his way to starting guard
2015 OL
Allen 4*
Madden 3*
Hardin 3*
Jurkovic 3*
2016 OL
Cleveland 4*
Barnes 3*
Kindley 3*
Catalina *?
Catalina is missing from 247 signing classes...
17 total offensive linemen.
Only 6 were rated 4 stars or higher.
Before you say stars are meaningless... Look at who the 4 stars are above and look at our starting line. There is a direct correlation.
Now, if I go run these numbers for Ole Miss, Bama, Tenn, LSU... are they going to have more,less,or same # of 4* offensive linemen on their rosters right now?
Kublanow 4*
Cardiello 3*
Bynum 3*
Welch 2*
2014 OL
Wynn 4*
Sims 4*
Baker 4*
Edwards 3*
Bonus- Gaillard (5* DT) recruited as DT but has worked his way to starting guard
2015 OL
Allen 4*
Madden 3*
Hardin 3*
Jurkovic 3*
2016 OL
Cleveland 4*
Barnes 3*
Kindley 3*
Catalina *?
Catalina is missing from 247 signing classes...
17 total offensive linemen.
Only 6 were rated 4 stars or higher.
Before you say stars are meaningless... Look at who the 4 stars are above and look at our starting line. There is a direct correlation.
Now, if I go run these numbers for Ole Miss, Bama, Tenn, LSU... are they going to have more,less,or same # of 4* offensive linemen on their rosters right now?
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Posted on 9/26/16 at 5:30 pm to deeprig9
To follow up and show a recruiting difference..
Right now Kirby has 3 OL commits rated 4* in the 2017 class.
If that's all he signs, 2017 and 2018, he'll have the same amount of 4*'s that Richt left him with after 4 classes.
In four years, he'll have 12 4* OL to field a 5 man line with, double what he has to work with right now.
Right now Kirby has 3 OL commits rated 4* in the 2017 class.
If that's all he signs, 2017 and 2018, he'll have the same amount of 4*'s that Richt left him with after 4 classes.
In four years, he'll have 12 4* OL to field a 5 man line with, double what he has to work with right now.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 5:31 pm to deeprig9
Miss...
'13...
5*
4*
3*
3*
'14...
4*
3*
3*
3*
2*
'15...
4*
3*
3*
3*
'16...
5*
4*
3*
3*
3*
3*
'13...
5*
4*
3*
3*
'14...
4*
3*
3*
3*
2*
'15...
4*
3*
3*
3*
'16...
5*
4*
3*
3*
3*
3*
Posted on 9/26/16 at 5:35 pm to dallasga6
Interesting.
So OM has the same number of 4* OL recruits as Georgia on the roster.
And 3 more total recruits at the position.
That's sad.
When LSU and Bama are done raping their state of all the best players, Ole Miss and Miss St split the leftovers, and yet OM still has slightly better OL recruiting than Georgia.
Clearly there's a problem.
So OM has the same number of 4* OL recruits as Georgia on the roster.
And 3 more total recruits at the position.
That's sad.
When LSU and Bama are done raping their state of all the best players, Ole Miss and Miss St split the leftovers, and yet OM still has slightly better OL recruiting than Georgia.
Clearly there's a problem.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 5:40 pm to deeprig9
Richt used a finesse offense that you threw to run.
We are the opposite and it is not working with the ol we have.
We are the opposite and it is not working with the ol we have.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 5:58 pm to deeprig9
Really hurts that Allen didn't pan out as a tackle, and has been moved to guard if I'm not mistaken, and that Baker isn't good enough to beat out a RI grad transfer. If those two guys had turned out to be solid bookend starters, we would be set.
Unfortunately, it's going to take a couple of years to fix that OL.
Unfortunately, it's going to take a couple of years to fix that OL.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 6:01 pm to deeprig9
Sidenote.... We have 3 WR commits right now... the shortest one is 6-2.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 6:07 pm to deeprig9
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This post was edited on 9/26/16 at 6:33 pm
Posted on 9/26/16 at 6:47 pm to deeprig9
Yep, our class rankings over the years have been skewed by skill players. Our recruiting in the trenches, where it counts most, was less than stellar during Richt's tenure.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 7:05 pm to deeprig9
it's Kirby's fault
Posted on 9/26/16 at 7:09 pm to Gainesville_Dawg
quote:
Really hurts that Allen didn't pan out as a tackle, and has been moved to guard if I'm not mistaken, and that Baker isn't good enough to beat out a RI grad transfer. If those two guys had turned out to be solid bookend starters, we would be set.
Unfortunately, it's going to take a couple of years to fix that OL.
All of that is true, but OL is probably the hardest position to project, and that is why you have to be absolutely relentless in recruiting. Landing one it you think will be an anchor and then calling it a day won't do it. You have to sign deep classes because there are guys who just won't pan out. Sometimes their frames can't take the stress of added weight, sometimes the added weight slows them down too much, and sometimes they just can't put on the necessary weight, or sometimes they just aren't mean enough. No reason not to take at least 4 or 5 OL on every single class.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 7:09 pm to deeprig9
Let's look at Bama.
2013
5*
4*
4*
3*
3*
2014 (in this class alone, they have almost as much OL talent as our entire roster)
5*
4*
4*
4*
4*
2015
4*
4*
4*
4*
3*
2016 (in this class alone, Bama has almost as much *'s as our whole roster of OL)
5*
4*
4*
4*
4*
Bama has 20 OL's.
17 are 4 star or higher.
And we only have 17 total, and only 6 that are 4 star or higher.
But I understand that Bama is the gold standard, it's not fair to compare us to them...
So lets move on to LSU. Standy by.
2013
5*
4*
4*
3*
3*
2014 (in this class alone, they have almost as much OL talent as our entire roster)
5*
4*
4*
4*
4*
2015
4*
4*
4*
4*
3*
2016 (in this class alone, Bama has almost as much *'s as our whole roster of OL)
5*
4*
4*
4*
4*
Bama has 20 OL's.
17 are 4 star or higher.
And we only have 17 total, and only 6 that are 4 star or higher.
But I understand that Bama is the gold standard, it's not fair to compare us to them...
So lets move on to LSU. Standy by.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 7:13 pm to deeprig9
I think I see a pattern here. Perhaps the key to some of Sabans success.
What I don't see is Oline classes of 0, 1 or 2....or even 3.
What I don't see is Oline classes of 0, 1 or 2....or even 3.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 7:16 pm to deeprig9
LSU
2013
4*
4*
3*
3*
3*
2014
4*
4*
4*
2015
4*
4*
4*
3*
3*
2016
4*
4*
3*
3*
Same overall number of OL recruits.
But 10 of theirs are 4 stars, to our 6.
On to Tennesee....
2013
4*
4*
3*
3*
3*
2014
4*
4*
4*
2015
4*
4*
4*
3*
3*
2016
4*
4*
3*
3*
Same overall number of OL recruits.
But 10 of theirs are 4 stars, to our 6.
On to Tennesee....
Posted on 9/26/16 at 7:21 pm to deeprig9
Tenn not doing too good...
2013
3
3
3
2014
4
3
3
3
2015
4
4
3
3
2016
4
3
3
2013
3
3
3
2014
4
3
3
3
2015
4
4
3
3
2016
4
3
3
Posted on 9/26/16 at 7:28 pm to deeprig9
Waitaminute.... you mean in order to play well and compete consistently in SEC football you need to focus on building quality and depth on the offensive line?
No fricking way.....
No fricking way.....
Posted on 9/26/16 at 7:29 pm to deeprig9
Florida
2013
3
3
3
3
3
2014
4
3
3
3
3
3
3
2015
5
3
3
3
3
2016
3
3
3
Total of 20 on the roster from those four classes.
To our 17.
And they had a dumpster fire coaching change in the mix. It's a little odd they only took three this year, but after taking a total of 12 in the previous two classes, it's understandable. They had other needs to fill. The talent level is a little underwhelming too. I would have expected more 4 stars. Maybe Jimbo took them all.
2013
3
3
3
3
3
2014
4
3
3
3
3
3
3
2015
5
3
3
3
3
2016
3
3
3
Total of 20 on the roster from those four classes.
To our 17.
And they had a dumpster fire coaching change in the mix. It's a little odd they only took three this year, but after taking a total of 12 in the previous two classes, it's understandable. They had other needs to fill. The talent level is a little underwhelming too. I would have expected more 4 stars. Maybe Jimbo took them all.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 7:38 pm to deeprig9
So....having a mobile QB (ala TN) allows you to get by with a lower quality OL. That explains their success with a smaller OL talent pool. The rest of these breakouts support your thesis.
We have developed the Perfect Storm of offense purgatory. Immobile QB, small receivers that can't get open and a bad OLine.
We have developed the Perfect Storm of offense purgatory. Immobile QB, small receivers that can't get open and a bad OLine.
This post was edited on 9/26/16 at 7:39 pm
Posted on 9/26/16 at 8:21 pm to SquatchDawg
quote:
We have developed the Perfect Storm of offense purgatory. Immobile QB, small receivers that can't get open and a bad OLine.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 8:37 pm to deeprig9
quote:
Catalina *?
Catalina is missing from 247 signing classes...
I googled and found nothing as far as a recruiting rating. I did find that he had one of those jiffy rig NCAA recruiting profiles that 65% of high schoolers (including my son) make for themselves. I'm guessing he wasn't rated by recruiting services as a senior in Mass?
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