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Posted on 8/14/17 at 10:10 pm to Peter Buck
Posted on 8/14/17 at 10:10 pm to Peter Buck
Hate to break it to you, but the UF D had so many hightlights against our OL, the highlight tape cant show all the ones that dont involve pulling or blitzing DB's. Its easy to understand a false start on 1st and goal at the 2 isnt the fault of scheme or numbers, but go on blaming anyone but the actual players.
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Posted on 8/14/17 at 10:30 pm to djsdawg
There are individual errors by each of the players. That's part of the game. Players are gonna a get beat too... that's also part of the game. That's implied when people who understand football are speaking... you still think pretty much anyone can get a contract to go to a NFL camp, so I think the fine citizens of this website know who knows...
Posted on 8/14/17 at 11:17 pm to Peter Buck
Of course its part of the game. How often it happens determines the quality.
Clarification: Not just anyone. I think pretty much anyone who played a lot at UGA will get an UDFA shot.
The names over the years who got that paycheck supports this idea.
Clarification: Not just anyone. I think pretty much anyone who played a lot at UGA will get an UDFA shot.
The names over the years who got that paycheck supports this idea.
This post was edited on 8/14/17 at 11:18 pm
Posted on 8/15/17 at 6:50 am to djsdawg
No, you said any horrible lineman who played at 3rd Rhode Island and played at UGA for only one year because UGA had no one else to play Oline and was not good enough to play in the SEC gets a shot in the pros...
Posted on 8/15/17 at 6:52 am to Peter Buck
Is he playing left ta ke for Washington?
Posted on 8/15/17 at 7:00 am to Buddy2012
They have one of the top left tackles in the NFL, but Catalina has played both Guard and Tackle in camp. They already released a 3rd year Tackle. He moved up from 4th to 3rd string after the first game.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 7:23 am to Peter Buck
listed as guard on depth chart
Posted on 8/15/17 at 7:24 am to Peter Buck
Are you sure I said that? We don't know if he gets the same shot if he never played sec ball at uga, but I know you assume he would have.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 7:26 am to Buddy2012
He was listed as Guard week one and tackle week 2.... back to Guard this week after they dropped a player.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 7:27 am to Buddy2012
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listed as guard on depth chart
Apparently not good enough to be a LT in the pros? Peter is gonna be shocked if that's the case.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 7:28 am to Peter Buck
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Look at these highlights... 8 men in the box all the time. Tackles making blocks... UF sending guys every time. A lot of this was happy feet by the QB and either no one open or him not seeing them...
Youve got 8 defenders in the box because we run a prostyle offense with only 2 receivers spread wide. That isn't the defense focusing on the run. That is the defense putting defenders where our players are to stop the run or pass. It is a consequence of formation.
We have a lot of complaints against running into these stacked defensive formations. Well the alternartive is to run a spread formation with more receivers and trying to run an offense like Auburn or Kentucky.
I think it is human nature to complain without really thinking through what is going on (I get it. We are emotional beings and when plays don't work, we vent)
Posted on 8/15/17 at 7:33 am to meansonny
so, are you stating that people don't play cover 2 against pro style offenses?
Posted on 8/15/17 at 7:37 am to djsdawg
I'll be shocked if he starts as a tackle in the NFL and surprised if he makes the team as a Guard, but that is not what is or was discussed on this thread.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 8:51 am to wdhalgren
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Although it's all a guess right now, today's two deep (from 247 article) sounds pretty good to me. Wynn, Allen, Gaillard, Kindley, Thomas, from left to right. Sims, Wilson, Fogarty, Baker, Cleveland were the 2nd team.
Most talent we have had here in a while. The Dawgs are highly rated at all positions except the Oline. But this group looks like its gonna surprise some folks.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 11:54 am to Peter Buck
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so, are you stating that people don't play cover 2 against pro style offenses?
I'm saying that a fans definition of 8 players in the box usually includes a safety presnap. What the safety's responsibities are play by play will change. But defenses are matching up 8 guys on top of 8 guys, most definitely. The more we pack it in, the more the defense packs it in. No?
Posted on 8/15/17 at 12:15 pm to meansonny
8 typically means you have one deep safety. Typically...
I would be willing to state that cover 2 is more common in the pros against pro formations
When you start bunching stuff up, like we did a lot last year, I think that even clogs up the middle even more. Lack of a deeper threat will encourage team to move a safety (typically SS) up for run support more often. Also, they can rush, blitz, gap shoot with more people/frequency. I think we got a healthy dose of that last year.
One thing you can note about both Bama and Tech... even though they didn't pass a lot, they still made you respect a deep ball on any play. You don't have to be 50/50 to have that aspect respected. You just need to show you can connect with a reasonable amount of success.
I would be willing to state that cover 2 is more common in the pros against pro formations
When you start bunching stuff up, like we did a lot last year, I think that even clogs up the middle even more. Lack of a deeper threat will encourage team to move a safety (typically SS) up for run support more often. Also, they can rush, blitz, gap shoot with more people/frequency. I think we got a healthy dose of that last year.
One thing you can note about both Bama and Tech... even though they didn't pass a lot, they still made you respect a deep ball on any play. You don't have to be 50/50 to have that aspect respected. You just need to show you can connect with a reasonable amount of success.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 12:54 pm to Peter Buck
I agree.
I had a moment with Hutson Mason at QB wondering why we were throwing to the sidelines so much (arm strength issues). He is an excellent slant, cross, post QB (think Boise State offense with their play action against the linebackers).
The truth is that we needed to attack the perimeter in the passing game to open up the running lanes with our horses at running back. And it worked (despite the lack of efficiency going to the sidelines with the pass... our success is built on running the football).
We've run against stacked boxes before. Most of it is reliant on guys just doing their jobs and the timing of the blocks.
I had a moment with Hutson Mason at QB wondering why we were throwing to the sidelines so much (arm strength issues). He is an excellent slant, cross, post QB (think Boise State offense with their play action against the linebackers).
The truth is that we needed to attack the perimeter in the passing game to open up the running lanes with our horses at running back. And it worked (despite the lack of efficiency going to the sidelines with the pass... our success is built on running the football).
We've run against stacked boxes before. Most of it is reliant on guys just doing their jobs and the timing of the blocks.
Posted on 8/15/17 at 1:31 pm to meansonny
I agree with what you said there... I will add that football can get pretty complex with measures and countermeasures... reads...schemes... etc...
With that said, you can have 8 guys in the box... and then you can have 8'guys in the box running stunts, schemes, blitzes, etc with less regard to pass defense. An OC has to put his team in a position to make the defense respect the whole field. As the field closes in, so do your running lanes.
With that said, you can have 8 guys in the box... and then you can have 8'guys in the box running stunts, schemes, blitzes, etc with less regard to pass defense. An OC has to put his team in a position to make the defense respect the whole field. As the field closes in, so do your running lanes.
Posted on 8/23/17 at 9:42 am to Bleudawg
Watching the Vandy game from last year....Jesus the OL was bad. A lot of it seemed to have more to do with how slow they were than anything else. If this years line is just a little quicker and more athletic, it's got to be better. I don't care how big and strong you are or how much experience you have, if you are consistently getting beaten to the point of attack, you aren't going to do well.
Posted on 8/25/17 at 3:32 pm to DawgHolliday
Andrew Thomas looks like he held up good against D'Andre Walker. Kindly looked a little off balanced during the drill. Did he hurt his leg? Start at the .40 second mark
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