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Not really new info but decent take on why Eason should be the choice at QB
Posted on 6/21/16 at 9:09 am
Posted on 6/21/16 at 9:09 am
QBs by the Numbers
Basically, Lambert was inconsistent at best last year and South Carolina was the outlier, not what should be expected. Ramsey has shown inability to seize job for himself, and in limited action (small sample size of course), has not particularly wowed. Does rely on the argument, that "six of the 16 true freshman to play 310 or more snaps in 2015 finished the season with a positive grade". I think this may be the weakest argument, *but* if you averaged out those 6 and came up with a net expected point contribution (offense generated, less potential turnover points at ~4.5 pts/turnover), Eason still comes out as the better option even with a hefty improvement for Lambert.
I'm fine with seeing Lambert start game 1 if we're worried about the moment catching Eason not quite ready, but he should have meaningful snaps during the game, and would prefer to see him starting game 2 to see what we've got.
Basically, Lambert was inconsistent at best last year and South Carolina was the outlier, not what should be expected. Ramsey has shown inability to seize job for himself, and in limited action (small sample size of course), has not particularly wowed. Does rely on the argument, that "six of the 16 true freshman to play 310 or more snaps in 2015 finished the season with a positive grade". I think this may be the weakest argument, *but* if you averaged out those 6 and came up with a net expected point contribution (offense generated, less potential turnover points at ~4.5 pts/turnover), Eason still comes out as the better option even with a hefty improvement for Lambert.
I'm fine with seeing Lambert start game 1 if we're worried about the moment catching Eason not quite ready, but he should have meaningful snaps during the game, and would prefer to see him starting game 2 to see what we've got.
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Posted on 6/21/16 at 9:24 am to fibonaccisquared
Eason is well beyond the other two in ability. Chaney installing an all new offense that everyone is learning at the time is a good thing for eason.
We shall see.
We shall see.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 11:43 am to fibonaccisquared
I've said it before, but true freshmen QBs in this era havent been consistent at all. Now do I think Eason will be successful as a freshman? Yes, easily, but he is going to have major growing pains as well. He's going to throw for 4 TDs and look amazing one game, and then throw 3 picks and look lost in another.
Does that mean we shouldnt start him? Hell no. He is our future, and is the best option we have now, and even though we might have some questionable moments with him, his progression sets us up for big things in 2017 and 2018.
If he can have a Josh Rosen like season, 23 TD 11 INT 3600 YDs 60% completion, then we will be successful as a team. East title? Maybe or maybe not, but we will be in a better position than we would be with Lambert or Ramsey.
Does that mean we shouldnt start him? Hell no. He is our future, and is the best option we have now, and even though we might have some questionable moments with him, his progression sets us up for big things in 2017 and 2018.
If he can have a Josh Rosen like season, 23 TD 11 INT 3600 YDs 60% completion, then we will be successful as a team. East title? Maybe or maybe not, but we will be in a better position than we would be with Lambert or Ramsey.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 11:52 am to devils1854
If Eason starts and has a Josh Rosen type season, we probably win the SEC and go to the Playoff.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 12:14 pm to GeorgiaBoy
Eason has far and away the most talent. Last year's production from the passing game was pathetic. Even if Eason doesn't start game one he should be the starter by game 3 against Ole Miss.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 12:19 pm to devils1854
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true freshmen QBs in this era havent been consistent at all
The thing is, Lambert wasn't consistent as a Grad Transfer. And if you exclude the South Carolina game (a 1 game outlier), he was consistently mediocre against average to below average competition, and outright bad against decent competition - all without playing against UF at all. If Ramsey had it in him to really take the role on, he has had his chances and would have done so by now.
At the end of the day, while Kirby is preaching best chance to win, 2016 is likely not the year where we compete for the SEC, nor do we need to. I do think we have a reasonably good shot at winning the East simply due to scheduling advantages and having a pretty decent roster, but beyond that, I don't believe we have the horses to beat out Bama or LSU this year. If a different team from the west were to emerge, then it's anyone's ballgame I think but that feels like a longshot.
Other benefits to starting Eason early, is proving to someone like a Trevor Lawrence, that Kirby is not going to shy away from starting the best player, even if they're young. He wants to come in and compete for the starting job right away. I think he knows it's going to be difficult no matter if he chooses UGA or Clemson, but putting your money where your mouth is and starting a TFr over upperclassmen, assuming he continues to progress and "win" the job throughout the fall practices, would go a long way IMO.
Bobo's thoughts that you want to build confidence in a young QB are well taken, which is why I believe not starting game 1 would be ok, so long as he's involved. Not starting him against Nicholl's St feels like a mistake, as we should win that game regardless, so why not use that as an opportunity to see how he handles himself. First road game at Mizzou, again a very winnable game, and not a terribly hostile environment. If he earns it, give him the start. In both of these games, you could plan to give Lambert snaps (similar to what I'd suggested for Eason in UNC). Make them compete and by game 4 @ Ole Miss, whether he's ready or not should be obvious. If not, the season is likely not going to be a dazzler, so continue to take the UNC approach, Lambert starts, Eason rolls in. Get meaningful snaps throughout 16 one way or the other.
I just have a hard time believing that Lambert/Ramsey give us any "better" chance to win. At worst, it feels like a relatively even trade, even if Eason wildly varies from game to game.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 12:43 pm to fibonaccisquared
I hope to see Lambert one time this year. When we play USCe and they show highlights of last year. I hope to see Ramsey in every game.
Assuming we have to punt at least once in every game.
Other than that, I just want to see Eason.
Assuming we have to punt at least once in every game.
Other than that, I just want to see Eason.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 10:05 pm to fibonaccisquared
G-Day game showed Eason's ability to stay within himself and Chaney made sure that he did. We don't need to run a complex offense until the UT game (we'll run all over UNC like Baylor did). So I think Eason's the guy. He has at least as much poise as Lambert, and more ability than any QB on the roster. If Chaney's as smart as I think he is, Eason will be the starter vs UNC, or at least will sub early in the game.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 12:04 am to fibonaccisquared
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First road game at Mizzou, again a very winnable game, and not a terribly hostile environment. If he earns it, give him the start.
This could be a trap with their stout D, so we better get Eason many snaps before this game.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 6:46 pm to Cobb Dawg
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G-Day game showed Eason's ability to stay within himself and Chaney made sure that he did.
Meh the offense was very vanilla, plus the defense played a lot of base defense. I wanna she how he handles the pressure getting blitzed a lot and knocked on his arse before I pass judgement. I really do hope he is what we think he is.
Posted on 6/24/16 at 12:13 pm to Whiznot
quote:Plus he is the future. Most would agree that going into the season, we aren't expecting to win a natty or even the SEC. That is one of the reasons why I think we should start him.
Eason has far and away the most talent.
Plus Lambert and Ramsey just aren't that good. I have never been a fan of Ramsey, as he does have a strong arm, but has never been able to put it all together. Lambert has an average arm for college, but has very happy feet in the pocket. He has shown to be pretty accurate, but it looks like he folds under pressure from good - great teams. There is a reason why he lost his gig at UVA.
With that said, if Lambert or Ramsey comes into fall practice and takes that shite over and looks head and shoulders better then the rest, then yes please start that guy! Plus I think our offense should be more run heavy with our great backs in Chubb and Michel, so that would make life much easier for Eason, if he were to start. I would think that a strong running game would open up some easy passes for Eason, so if he could throw the ball for 15-20 times a game, I think we would be in good shape. I would love to see more play action, where we sling it deep. Eason would excel here as Ramsey is the only other one who could make the throw, but hasn't ever shown good accuracy.
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