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New OC: Stick with the Pro Style or maybe, idk, try something new
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:08 am
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:08 am
Because we need more Bobo threads I am curious. I know a lot of us tend to agree that running a big boy offense, the pro style, and kicking arse is just infinitely more enjoyable than running gimmicky shite. But, hey, I like black jerseys so maybe we should give the gimmicky shite a try? Hell, I wouldn't call it gimmicky considering most of college football is running some version of the spread. Georgia really kind of did too until we went back to power running this year.
So, what do yall think? I feel like we are shopping in a time where there aren't a ton of big name OCs on the market. Idk, I honestly never thought we'd lose Bobo and looked around at other OCs. It seems like the big names out there are more spread style
Kurt Roper
Lincoln Riley
I feel like the big names off the top of my head for continuing our pro-style approach are
Doug Nussemeier
Or promoting from within
Am I missing something? Probably. Did I say something that will inevitable lead to someone saying I am an idiot? Most definitely. But, work with me here you miserable wrecthes. What do you want? Do you want to go after the shiny spread OCs? You want to see if we can try our best to continue our pro-style success?
Also, for purposes of this, maybe try not to think of what Eason would do. Idk, maybe think he will believe in what we do. It's not like Murray didn't live in the gun here.
So, what do yall think? I feel like we are shopping in a time where there aren't a ton of big name OCs on the market. Idk, I honestly never thought we'd lose Bobo and looked around at other OCs. It seems like the big names out there are more spread style
Kurt Roper
Lincoln Riley
I feel like the big names off the top of my head for continuing our pro-style approach are
Doug Nussemeier
Or promoting from within
Am I missing something? Probably. Did I say something that will inevitable lead to someone saying I am an idiot? Most definitely. But, work with me here you miserable wrecthes. What do you want? Do you want to go after the shiny spread OCs? You want to see if we can try our best to continue our pro-style success?
Also, for purposes of this, maybe try not to think of what Eason would do. Idk, maybe think he will believe in what we do. It's not like Murray didn't live in the gun here.
This post was edited on 12/23/14 at 10:09 am
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Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:10 am to Damn Good Dawg
Stick with what we have and add wrinkles like we have been doing.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:14 am to TallyDawg
Spot on.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:14 am to Damn Good Dawg
Lean toward pro-style with our personnel and recruiting, but want to be multiple. Similar to how we are now. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
I'd make Clay Helton tell me no.
I'd make Clay Helton tell me no.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:14 am to TallyDawg
I think my dream OC, which won't happen, is Kevin Wilson.
I wish IU would fire him tomorrow so we could save him. At OU his offense was brilliant. So many beautiful formations. So much innonvation. So. Much. Mother. fricking. PISTOL.
Kevin Wilson would incorporate the best of the spread into a pro style offense and to be honest it got me harder than a diamond in an ice storm. Part of the reason I started to like Bobo a little more is because we started doing what they did. Stop entirely relying on power formations and began running the ball with 3-4 WR sets and without a FB. This year it made total sense to go back to power running but before this year it was a needed transition.
I wish IU would fire him tomorrow so we could save him. At OU his offense was brilliant. So many beautiful formations. So much innonvation. So. Much. Mother. fricking. PISTOL.
Kevin Wilson would incorporate the best of the spread into a pro style offense and to be honest it got me harder than a diamond in an ice storm. Part of the reason I started to like Bobo a little more is because we started doing what they did. Stop entirely relying on power formations and began running the ball with 3-4 WR sets and without a FB. This year it made total sense to go back to power running but before this year it was a needed transition.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:14 am to Crowknowsbest
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I'd make Clay Helton tell me no.
Tell me more of this Clay from the family Helton
ETA: And I agree about being multiple. I love it. That's what Kevin Wilson was about. Never mired in one set of shite. Like Alabama now. Their offense has been so bland in the past and now? They run read option, they go under center, they go 5 wide.
We can shite on Kiffin but that's EXACTLY what we need to look for. I like the allure of a Lincoln Riley. I do. I'll probably want him in about an hour. But the dream is seeing the day Georgia goes one series from the I and after 2 1st downs seeing them run the read option.
And not our usual read option. Not the one where Mason takes it because, well, we can't give it to Chubb EVERY TIME. I want to see the Pistol where IMac goes in motion and takes the ball on a jet sweep. Not remaining ever reliant on reverses for a wrinkle.
This post was edited on 12/23/14 at 10:18 am
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:15 am to Damn Good Dawg
He's the OC and QB coach at Southern Cal
My impression is that he's similar ideologically to Richt/Bobo. Modern multiple pro-style.
Elite recruiter as well
My impression is that he's similar ideologically to Richt/Bobo. Modern multiple pro-style.
Elite recruiter as well
This post was edited on 12/23/14 at 10:17 am
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:19 am to Crowknowsbest
Was he at UDub with Sark? Can we get that dude with the weird name there, Tupilolol or whatever, who can recruit like mad? CAN WE OR CAN WE NOT, CROW?
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:20 am to TallyDawg
quote:Agreed.
Stick with what we have and add wrinkles like we have been doing
I think the pro-style is great as long as we have a good QB and enough (healthy) RBs to do damage on the ground.
The spread or spread-option type offenses that teams like Oregon or Auburn use can be difficult to defend if you have a great dual-threat QB, but each style has its pros and cons. We've done a great job over the past few years of putting up points with the old-school offense.
One good thing about the pro-style is that it is good preparation for the NFL, since most teams there run that style, so it's a good selling point to recruits.
I think the most important thing to do is to run an offense that is tailored around the talent on the field. We can recruit for a particular scheme, but we need to run plays based on what the players can execute effectively and do the most damage to opponents.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:21 am to Damn Good Dawg
No. He was the OC, QB coach under Kiffin, then the interim HC before Sark. Sark kept him on, which is a huge compliment to Helton with a new offensive minded HC.
Lupoi is the one you're thinking of. He's a DL guy, but he currently works on Bama's support staff. I doubt UGA would hire him, looking at past tendencies.
Lupoi is the one you're thinking of. He's a DL guy, but he currently works on Bama's support staff. I doubt UGA would hire him, looking at past tendencies.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:22 am to FooManChoo
I want the Pistol.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:22 am to Damn Good Dawg
Those OU offenses were absurd. They could run 5WR sets on one play and 1WR/3TE/1RB on the next play without changing personnel because their tight ends were versatile. It was a nightmare for a defense.
ETA: Sam Bradford and DeMarco Murray helped too. If a defense lined up a bunch of DBs, OU could shift into a power set and run Murray off tackle for 8-10 yards a crack. If defenses went big, OU could split Murray and the tight ends wide and Bradford had his choice of mismatches to throw to. It was a thing of beauty to watch.
ETA: Sam Bradford and DeMarco Murray helped too. If a defense lined up a bunch of DBs, OU could shift into a power set and run Murray off tackle for 8-10 yards a crack. If defenses went big, OU could split Murray and the tight ends wide and Bradford had his choice of mismatches to throw to. It was a thing of beauty to watch.
This post was edited on 12/23/14 at 10:29 am
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:22 am to FooManChoo
I know that Bobo worked hard to beat the Wing-T out of Ramsey, but it would be nice to have some options, God forbid the RBs get hurt.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:24 am to TallyDawg
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Stick with what we have and add wrinkles like we have been doing.
Agree with this. I would like to see a more athletic QB running our pro-style offense with more options for our QB to run, pitch out or pass. This would stretch the width of the field and make our regular running game more effective.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:25 am to VoxDawg
quote:I agree. Regardless of what scheme we are using, the OC needs to be able to use what he's got in the most effective way possible.
I know that Bobo worked hard to beat the Wing-T out of Ramsey, but it would be nice to have some options, God forbid the RBs get hurt
If our RBs go down, we need to get creative. Put in a QB that can run the ball, for instance.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:26 am to Damn Good Dawg
Part of me just wants something new; ie get riley and just implode the offense and frick shite up. But on the other hand, our offense seems to work fine and it's a fact that many big HS prospects choose UGA because of our pro style system and how it can prepare them for the next level.
And I KNOW, I really do know, that you don't make any major, sweeping changes with a program for the sake of a prospect. But I think losing Eason would set our program back years. Richt will probably not be here longer than about 6 or 7 more years I wouldn't think, and Eason is just about as elite of a prospect as we've ever had. Or up there, anyway. When the time comes if things hold serve he'll be more highly regarded than stafford, and I'm not sure if we've ever gotten the nation's #1 player before besides herschel. AGain I'm not saying you do or don't do something just for one kid, but all signs point to Eason, literally, being a program changing type of player. And if we tweak our offense too much he's gone. And that would suck.
And I KNOW, I really do know, that you don't make any major, sweeping changes with a program for the sake of a prospect. But I think losing Eason would set our program back years. Richt will probably not be here longer than about 6 or 7 more years I wouldn't think, and Eason is just about as elite of a prospect as we've ever had. Or up there, anyway. When the time comes if things hold serve he'll be more highly regarded than stafford, and I'm not sure if we've ever gotten the nation's #1 player before besides herschel. AGain I'm not saying you do or don't do something just for one kid, but all signs point to Eason, literally, being a program changing type of player. And if we tweak our offense too much he's gone. And that would suck.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:43 am to VADawg
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WG
And yea, I get that. I am riding that line too. I keep thinking what I would think would be best for UGA and then I think "well, what about Eason..."
Thing is, you nailed it. We can't do this all for one guy. I was reading on Reddit how Texas promised Gilbert they would move to a pro style offense. Gilbert was the Eason of Easons. Texas had been to a national title running the Spread with Colt. And their offense completely imploded. Just totally bottomed out. That helps us none because it is an argument against both. They changed to change and it failed them. They also did what they could for the next coming of their christ and it failed them. My point from that, though, is that Gilbert was mismanaged but also proved to not be THE guy.
I also think we need to note that while we claim we get great recruits for our offense, and we do, it seems that Oregon, UF under Meyer, AU, and co do pretty damn well recruiting for their systems. Even Texas before all hell broke loose. It would hurt now but I can't imagine it stops us in th elong run.
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VADawg
And because of that post we are now best friends. Because YOU GET IT. YOU KNOW THE TRUTH. KEVIN WILSON IS GOD.
Seriously, those offenses were majestic. I think Anna Kendrick's boobs are the only thing that I want to see on the Georgia sideline more. You described it best. It was a fricking nightmare for defenses.
Sure, they did have the horses to run it but we have some horses ourselves. Not as good as OU did but in time who knows. It was beautiful. OU really did exactly what you said. They said frick you to anything you chose to stop. It didn't matter to them.
And it wasn't just all supreme balance. It was their versatility in their formations. THey didn't have a ton of plays. But they had more formations than any of us could fathom. In one series I would watch the sooners run the read option from the gun, go under center and run off tackle, and then run a PA off the jet sweep from the pistols. These defenders would just be dumbfounded. Oklahoma had a multitude of weapons and had no problem of attacking you in every fathomable direction.
We could do that. As well as them? No. But imagine it. Ramsey read option with Chubb. Under center, hand to Chubb. In the pistol, PA JS to IMac. It's not like we can't do it. We just need the evil genius to do it.
Wow, I got super fired up typing that.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:45 am to Damn Good Dawg
The more important question is if we hire from outside what happens to the current staff?
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:46 am to Sanford&MunSon
I cant imagine any guy would want to lose a weapon like BMac or Lilly. I have never really liked Ball.
Posted on 12/23/14 at 10:47 am to Damn Good Dawg
I agree. BMac and Lily are the onky two that I'd ask to stay. Will Richt allow the others to be replaced or do you think he would attempt to handcuff the new oc?
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