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Need a Good Break Down on App State, haven't seen one yet,

Posted on 8/28/17 at 10:43 am
Posted by lewis and herschel
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 8/28/17 at 10:43 am
I too like the wait and see approach but the team has to be better simply from being in the systems for over a 1.5 years.
Posted by devils1854
Franklin
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 8/28/17 at 11:15 am to
10-3 team from last year

Took Tennessee to OT in Knoxville first week of the season last year, but also got blown out at home by Miami.

On offense, they are run heavy. Had 2 1000 yard guys last year. Jalin Moore, rushed for 1400 yds, is back. Taylor Lamb is the QB, and has started since his freshman year. Pretty good QB. Doesnt turn the ball over, but also doesnt go down the field too often. Dont know too much about the offensive line.

Their calling card is defense. Led the Sun Belt in total defense and scoring defense last year. 8 starters return from last year. Run a 34. They have a standout player back at each level. Will definitely sell out to stop the run with their veteran defensive line and ILB Eric Boggs.
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 8/28/17 at 11:22 am to
Jalin Moore should scare the hell out of us.
Posted by socrow
Covington,GA
Member since Sep 2012
828 posts
Posted on 8/28/17 at 11:23 am to
Antonious Sims a DE number 42 I believe, he's not very big but he is old school strong and fast, I was in Knoxville last year and he took over the game by himself. To me he is the key on their DL and they will have to know where he is at all times
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
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Posted on 8/28/17 at 11:47 am to
This was from back in the spring by Connelly if you just want to read up on their team. LINK

Stats/Geeky heavy content, but good context for sure.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 8/28/17 at 11:57 am to
Also, a Georgia specific "know the enemy" preview: LINK
Posted by AirDawg
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Posted on 8/28/17 at 1:11 pm to
Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 8/28/17 at 1:11 pm to
Here's my breakdown. If we got decent coaching during this offseason, we get decent gameday coaching, and decent quarterback play, Georgia wins by 30+ points. If it's still a game in the 4th quarter, probably even 2nd half, we're in for another ugly season.
This post was edited on 8/28/17 at 1:17 pm
Posted by Red&Black
Athens, GA
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 8/28/17 at 1:37 pm to
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Here's my breakdown. If we got decent coaching during this offseason, we get decent gameday coaching, and decent quarterback play, Georgia wins by 30+ points. If it's still a game in the 4th quarter, probably even 2nd half, we're in for another ugly season.


Sounds about right. App State is a decent team, but if we are really prepared to take the next step forward, this game shouldn't be close in the 4th quarter.
Posted by Sandwich
Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 8/28/17 at 1:43 pm to
Ya i, more then anything wanna see us Run the fricking football because as vaunted as their defense is, it won't even crack the top 5 we will face all year.

We need to run the fricking football with Chubb and I better not fricking see him getting shoe-laced int he back field or Im gonna have flashbacks
Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 8/28/17 at 1:55 pm to
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more then anything wanna see us Run the fricking football


I'm just the opposite. I know we have RB's and I know they can get yardage if defenses respect our passing game. I want to see us pass the frickin' football, repeatedly and successfully. If we can pass well, then I'll feel better about the ability to perform against tougher defenses.

I say don't wait until the tough games to see what Eason can do in live action. Put him to the test now and maybe he'll perform more consistently later when we really need a balanced offense. If Eason's still struggling against teams like App State, then Fromm needs to start getting ready to play later in the year when the East is out of reach.
This post was edited on 8/28/17 at 1:58 pm
Posted by Spaceman Spiff
Savannah
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 8/28/17 at 1:57 pm to
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Put him to the test now and maybe he'll perform more consistently when we really need a balanced offense.


That actually makes sense.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 8/28/17 at 1:59 pm to
quote:

Here's my breakdown. If we got decent coaching during this offseason, we get decent gameday coaching, and decent quarterback play, Georgia wins by 30+ points. If it's still a game in the 4th quarter, probably even 2nd half, we're in for another ugly season.




That's probably discounting App State a bit. Don't get me wrong, I'm in agreement that if it's still close in the 4th something has gone wrong, but to *expect* a 30+ point win is probably a step too far. I would say anything over a 2 TD win with a clear handle/control on the game is probably more than sufficient to show that Smart has gotten the team ready and we're at least on track... I'd say 17-21+ points would be a *good win*... while obviously blowing the doors off of them would be impressive, their approach to the game is to essentially slow the game down, limit possessions, etc. It's hard to get a 30 point lead on a ball control team when we're a primarily ball control team ourselves... We have to limit mistakes and be efficient on offense in order to even get to the 17-21 point threshold I've mentioned.

ETA: And yes, I write this fully knowing that Richt and Miami were able to get a 35 point win last year. Their OL last season was likely superior to what we'll have at the beginning of the season and more proven talent outside as well. I like what we have from a talent perspective at WR now I think, but need to see them perform at this point, and also need to see that Eason has progressed...
This post was edited on 8/28/17 at 2:06 pm
Posted by thomasbrown_2007
Atlanta,Ga
Member since Oct 2014
2995 posts
Posted on 8/28/17 at 2:01 pm to
It isnt the same app state..a year ago. I think we cover 28-13. I think Eason will be excellent..despite some fans giving him a tough time. Reminds me of aaron murray in his early years.
This post was edited on 8/28/17 at 2:03 pm
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 8/28/17 at 2:10 pm to
quote:

I'm just the opposite. I know we have RB's and I know they can get yardage if defenses respect our passing game. I want to see us pass the frickin' football, repeatedly and successfully. If we can pass well, then I'll feel better about the ability to perform against tougher defenses.

I say don't wait until the tough games to see what Eason can do in live action. Put him to the test now and maybe he'll perform more consistently later when we really need a balanced offense. If Eason's still struggling against teams like App State, then Fromm needs to start getting ready to play later in the year when the East is out of reach.


This I 100% agree with though. It's a good but not elite defensive front, they're reasonably susceptible down field... go ahead and prove that you can attack downfield early, and it should open up the running game either way. It will also give the coaches more teachable moments/film to work with as they look to tweak/adjust the passing game going forward, since we know that the better teams are going to try and take away the run whenever possible.
Posted by IT_Dawg
Georgia
Member since Oct 2012
21688 posts
Posted on 8/28/17 at 2:11 pm to
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It isnt the same app state..a year ago


They return their top QB, RB and returning starters at WR, along with 4/5 starters on the OL. They also return 8 starters on defense including their DL from a defense that finished top 20 in the country.....

Those players were all on a team that took UT, a favorite to win the East last year and beat UGA, into OT the first week of the season last year.

You continue to make the dumbest, most baseless arguments on this board. Take your shite back to the SECr and please disclaim all posts that none of us on here support you or your rabble

ETA: stop being the only idiot that upvotes your posts. It's childish, obvious and frankly, sad. Man, I hate retarded sidewalk fans
This post was edited on 8/28/17 at 2:13 pm
Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 8/28/17 at 2:14 pm to
The highest rated recruit on App State's roster is three star, 0.85 composite score. They only have 14 three stars, everyone else was less well regarded than that. UGA has 56 former four and five star recruits. 85% of our roster was higher rated than their highest rated recruit, based on 247 composite scores.

You can criticize Richt til your blue in the face, or you can say that stars don't matter, but Georgia has a huge talent advantage all over the field, plus a lot of returning experience. Even without the massive resource advantage, home field advantage, etc., UGA should blow this team off the field from the opening kickoff.
This post was edited on 8/28/17 at 2:24 pm
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 8/28/17 at 2:30 pm to
quote:

The highest rated recruit on App State's roster is three star, 0.85 composite score. They only have 14 three stars, everyone else was less well regarded than that. UGA has 56 former four and five star recruits. 85% of our roster was higher rated than their best player, based on 247 composite scores.

You can criticize Richt til your blue in the face, or you can say that stars don't matter, but Georgia has a huge talent advantage all over the field. Even without the massive resource advantage, home field advantage, etc., UGA should blow this team off the field from the opening kickoff.



Did I criticize Richt in my post? If anything, I gave him credit. You seem so eager to get defensive. If you look above, I agree with you on several things, I just don't agree that anything less than a 30+ point win means that we've not improved. Styles matter. Matchups matter. Can we put up 45 points on them? Absolutely... But should I expect a 30+ point win and less than that is considered failure? No... There is no credit for margin of victory. Style points matter marginally at best. What is the distinction between what I defined as a "good win" at 17-21+ points and your 30+ points? Seriously... maybe a garbage time score or 2 against our 2nd team defense once the game has largely been decided?

I'm simply not looking at it through your lens, which is to look for opportunities to criticize Smart for failing to live up to what you *think* Richt would have done. I'm evaluating him and this team based on the merits of the situation. I personally agree, we should be significantly more talented. We should have a massive talent gap. But that doesn't matter when the matchup dictates that it's likely not going to be a game with a ton of offensive at bats. It's not the same as playing Tech or Ga Southern in that they'll strictly run clock, but it's not that far off when you look at avg opponent offensive possessions and time of possession stats for App State over the past 2 seasons. We're not a team that's likely to go fastball for 4 quarters... it doesn't play to our strengths anyways.

Maybe take a moment, *read* what was written, and then think about context.

I don't have the raw stats, but I'd guess that App State and Ga Tech have pretty similar levels of average player ratings over the past several seasons. App state returns a largely veteran team that has performed well over the past two seasons. Do I think they're in the same weight class? No. Do I think they can put a competitive team on the field that might be tough to just blast in week 1? Sure. Keep in mind that Richt had 2 tune-up games against literal cupcakes before playing App State last year in week 3, rather than playing them right out of the gate (a la Tennessee). To their credit though, they did play in Boone at App State so there is that (though much has been made about Miami's lack of much true home field advantage which is not the case at Sanford).
This post was edited on 8/28/17 at 2:32 pm
Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 8/28/17 at 2:42 pm to
The comment about Richt was in reference to multiple attempts to link Richt's recruiting to Smart's performance. I'm just pointing out that I didn't subscribe to that last year and even less so now. Our OL group, including the upperclassmen, is loaded with players better than what App State normally recruits, so past recruiting is a non-factor. Not so much for what you said in this thread, but for what I expect to hear in the future, maybe next Sunday.

As for agreeing on several things, maybe I didn't express it to specifically counter your points, but we don't agree on the only point that matters. Smart has the most talented and experienced group that Georgia has fielded in a long time. He's had 18 months to install his culture. There's no style or matchup that should make this a two touchdown game.

Smart's given us a dogfight against every weak team that we line up against. I'll stand by my first post above, if we can't handle this team with ease, including playing backups in the 2nd half, we're in for a long season. I'm not claiming to be the final word in football prognostication, that's just my strongly held opinion. It's time for Smart to prove he's capable of coaching a talent laden UGA team up to their potential.
This post was edited on 8/28/17 at 3:03 pm
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 8/28/17 at 2:56 pm to
quote:

The comment about Richt was in reference to multiple attempts to link Richt's recruiting to Smart's performance. I'm just pointing out that I didn't subscribe to that last year and even less so now. Our OL group, including the upperclassmen, is loaded with players better than what App State normally recruits, so past recruiting is a non-factor. Not so much for what you said in this thread, but for what I expect to hear in the future, maybe next Sunday.


Thanks for proving my point. No sense in trying to have a reasonable conversation with an unreasonable individual.

The only comment I made about talent related to Richt, was about 2017 UGA vs 2016 Miami starters at OL and WR... this had nothing to do with "what Richt left at UGA" or how that talent stacks up to App State. I don't love seeing Pat Allen at starting LG, but hoping that's temporary. Glad to see Thomas seemingly claiming the RT position with Cleveland competing and Kindly at the RG... need young guys to step up and man the line for sure. I will remain wait and see on WRs until I see them actually separate and catch balls, but definitely have improved the quality of talent there from a pure ratings perspective.

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As for agreeing on several things, maybe I didn't express it to specifically counter your points, but we don't agree on the only point that matters. Smart has the most talented and experienced group that Georgia has fielded in a long time. He's had 18 months to install his culture. There's no style or matchup that should make this a two touchdown game.


Again, failing to address what I asked, which is explicitly, what do you see different between a 17-21 point win and a 30+ point win. What would it tell you about the team? Particularly if there were 1 or 2 scores against our second team defense (after having been up by 28 or more for example) late in the game as I laid out?

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Smart's given us a dogfight against every team that we line up against. I'll stand by my first post above, if we can't handle this team with ease, including playing backups in the 2nd half, we're in for a long season. It's time for Smart to prove he's capable of coaching a talent laden UGA team.

If I see another Nicholls State, Mizzou, or Vandy like performance out of the team, I'll be leading the charge with you... we should not be in a "dogfight" against App State. I disagree that 30 points is the line of distinction between "dogfight" and "controlling the game". I'm not sure why that's a difficult concept for you though. I would agree, if we have our first stringers in across the board for 4 quarters, that would be concerning as well. I don't think you'll see them come in at the start of the second half, but one would hope that by late Q3 or beginning of Q4, we're seeing starters taken out for sure.
This post was edited on 8/28/17 at 3:00 pm
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