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Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:18 am
Posted by jodeaux
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:18 am
Ok, I wanted to reserve judgment until I had more evidence but I think it's safe to say that both Chaney and Smart weren't necessarily pleased with Eason's effort on the details last year. We've had two stories in the past 24 hours with quotes about how great Fromm has been in the meeting room and how's he's pushing Jacob.


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Posted by BranchDawg
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Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:26 am to
I just don't want to go through our 5th starting QB in 5 years...

Can we get some continuity at the position FFS?
Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
3014 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:35 am to
Of the three very highly ranked qb's we've had in the last 10 years, Stafford, Murray, and Eason, I thought Eason showed the least progress during his first season. Everyone blamed it on his offensive line, but people should go back and look at some of the horrible OL's that Stafford played behind. Plus, some of the OL's problems last year were because defenses never developed any respect that Eason could make them pay for being aggressive at the LOS.

Don't know much about Fromm yet, but Eason needs a lot of improvement just to be a mediocre quarterback.
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:35 am to
quote:

Can we get some continuity at the position FFS?


we are, since eason is undoubtedly starting and would take an absolute disaster to not keep starting.
Posted by Dawgsontop34
Member since Jun 2014
42466 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:36 am to
quote:

I just don't want to go through our 5th starting QB in 5 years...

Can we get some continuity at the position FFS?


Just my opinion, but continuity is a dumb reason to keep someone as the starting QB if he isn't as good as the other guy. I'm all for continuity, but only if that guy is clearly better.

Outside of Watson this season and McCarron in 2012, every National Championship QB since 2009 has been a first year starter.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25871 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:39 am to
Backup QB is always the most popular player on the team.
Posted by jodeaux
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:47 am to
Agree, I would be extremely surprised if there is an actual competition between the two but it does make you think about Eason's work ethic behind the scenes. I think we're all hoping he makes a meteoric leap this season but I honestly see him being something akin to Zack Mettenberger, but I too hold hope the light will come on for him because I think he has weapons now and the offensive line has to be better.
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:49 am to
quote:

Of the three very highly ranked qb's we've had in the last 10 years, Stafford, Murray, and Eason, I thought Eason showed the least progress during his first season.


He progressed quite nicely actually.

Eason's first 6 games:

-Averaged 51.5% completion percentage
-Averaged 170 yards per game
-Averaged 118.3 passer rating
-Threw 8 total TDs and 5 total Int

Eason's last 7 games:

-Averaged 58.5% completion percentage
-Averaged 201 yards per game
-Averaged 129.3 passer rating
-Threw 8 total TDs and 3 total Int


FR season totals:

Stafford (TFr)
52.7%, 1,749 yards, 7 TD, 13 INT

Murray (RFr)
61.1%, 3,049 yards, 24 TD, 8 INT

Eason (TFr)
55.1%, 2,430 yards, 16 TD, 8 INT

Few notes:
-Murray clearly blew the others away, be he was also a redshirt and had a full extra year of development
-Murray had mediocre RBs but had AJ Green, Kris Durham, Tavarres King, Marlon Brown, and Orson Charles to throw to. That is miles and miles better than what both Stafford and Eason had
-All 3 OLs were bad so that's essentially a wash, although 2016's was the worst of the bunch
-Stafford and Murray both had Bobo as OC. Eason had Chaney..
-Murray and Stafford came from powerhouse football areas while Eason did not.

I'd say Eason did pretty darn well all things considered. If he makes even marginal improvement as expected (which just about all of our multi-year starters have) he'll be perfectly fine. The alternative is starting another True Freshman and being in the same boat at QB as we were last year.
This post was edited on 3/28/17 at 9:51 am
Posted by DaveyDownerDawg
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:50 am to
Watch them platoon them like CMR did David and DJ.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25871 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:56 am to
quote:

He progressed quite nicely actually.

Most of the positive thoughts on Stafford's freshman season are selective memory from the Auburn game.
Posted by Dawgsontop34
Member since Jun 2014
42466 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:58 am to
quote:

it does make you think about Eason's work ethic behind the scenes


I think anyone on campus last year could probably tell you that Eason spent more than his fair share of time downtown last spring when he got here, and all that weight he put on was definitely not muscle.

But Eason definitely improved during the season and I'm sure he's being pushed but Fromm. I'm guessing the comparison is Fromm is working harder now than Eason did when he first got on campus.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:59 am to
quote:

Most of the positive thoughts on Stafford's freshman season are selective memory from the Auburn game.


stafford was positively garbage the entire 06 season outside of the last 3 games when you could see a light come on for him and him actually start to resemble an actual QB. But still, here are the numbers from those games:

Auburn
14/20, 70%, 219 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT

GT
16/29, 55%, 171 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT

VT
9/21, 43%, 129 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT


It really is incredible. He finally stopped turning the ball over all the time and we actually won a few games unlike the mid part of the year, and everyone goes nuts at how awesome he was. If eason put those same numbers up the last 3 games of this year they'd probably throw a brick through his window. Going step for step in both of their young careers, Eason has outperformed stafford by light years.
Posted by claydawg09
Covington
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 9:59 am to
And the last drive against GT. And 2nd half Virginia tech. But yes. First half of season was ugly
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32777 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 10:00 am to
quote:

the three very highly ranked qb's we've had in the last 10 years, Stafford, Murray, and Eason, I thought Eason showed the least progress during his first season.


Folks tend to exaggerate how much Stafford progressed and how much Eason didn't.
Posted by tylerdurden24
Member since Sep 2009
46412 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 11:02 am to
This is posturing on the part of Smart. You want coach to toot your horn? Play like the starter you're supposed to be and lead your team
Posted by BranchDawg
Flowery Branch
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 11:05 am to
quote:

Outside of Watson this season and McCarron in 2012, every National Championship QB since 2009 has been a first year starter.


Unless you think Fromm is Cam or Jameis Winston, or you think we've suddenly become Bama, that's a totally inapplicable argument.
Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
3014 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 11:09 am to
Statistics are a funny thing. Put the Vanderbilt game in the first group, compare first 7 to last 6 and the numbers are virtually identical. Completion percent 54.3% (first half) vs 56.1% (second half). 195 (1st) vs 177 ypg (2nd), 6.6 vs 6.6 ypa, TD/Int 9/5 vs 7/3. In other words, no statistical improvement.

Small sample sizes mean that the stats are heavily influenced by changing group selection, or changing variables between the two groups, or just random distribution of data. For example, Eason had three games in an opponent's stadium in the first 6 (Missouri, Ole Miss, South Carolina), 1 game in an opponent's stadium (Kentucky) in the last 6. Playing in an opponent's stadium could be expected to adversely influence a freshman qb, so that would be a negative factor in the first 6 games. I'm sure you can find some skewed variable for the second half if so inclined, but it just proves that the stats don't tell the whole story.

So instead of relying on stats, I just watched him play the games. What I saw was very little improvement in accuracy, mechanics, vision, decision making, etc. His pocket presence did seem to get a little better, getting sacked by linebackers will do that. But, overall, if you think he progressed quite nicely, we'll have to disagree.

As for Fromm, I'm not advocating for him at all, just noting that I didn't see Eason improve in 2016.
This post was edited on 3/28/17 at 11:10 am
Posted by Dawgsontop34
Member since Jun 2014
42466 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 11:11 am to
quote:

Unless you think Fromm is Cam or Jameis Winston, or you think we've suddenly become Bama, that's a totally inapplicable argument.


Not what I'm saying. My point is that continuity at the QB position isn't that important as long as the offense stays relatively similar. If your changing OCs every year you have a much greater issue.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
Member since Dec 2011
16898 posts
Posted on 3/28/17 at 11:30 am to
WG bringin' da heat. Pretty much exactly what I was going to post until I saw it already here. From an "eye test" perspective, I can see why people felt Eason wasn't improving, because there were just so many of the same errors (throwing off the back foot, sever under/over throws, throwing slightly behind the receiver on slant type routes leading to no YAC) but the reality is it's just more fresh in our minds... He had a good, not great freshman year and did show some improvement over the course of the year. Not quite as much as many of us might have hoped, but reasonable for a freshman. This year should tell us a lot more.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 3/28/17 at 11:34 am to
quote:

This is posturing on the part of Smart. You want coach to toot your horn? Play like the starter you're supposed to be and lead your team


You have to think it's a bit of a recruiting pitch as well... essentially "I'm not afraid to let a freshman come in and compete for a job that most people might think is already locked up."
This post was edited on 3/28/17 at 2:02 pm
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