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re: I've given this a lot of thought

Posted on 11/29/15 at 9:00 am to
Posted by Dawgs28
Member since Oct 2015
101 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 9:00 am to
I guess it comes down to what you want out of your head coach and football program. If you want a guy who gets the program to consistently compete at the highest level then Richt hasn't been that guy for a decade now. If you want someone who is great for the kids then Richt is not a bad choice.

I don't see it as an either or though. There are plenty of stories from former players of Nick Saban or even Steve Spurrier where that player credits the coach with turning his life around. The head coach at a place like UGA is making millions of dollars to win football games. There needs to be a level of respect and caring for the kids, but at the end of the day he gets judged on the bottom line success of his job.
Posted by Broncothor
Member since Jul 2014
3050 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 9:14 am to
Brevity guys. Wow. Can't get through it all. Summary. Keep Richt he's nice and we want the recruits. Fire Richt he had his chance last 5 years and can't win SEC.
Posted by HellRaisingDawg
Lake Park, Georgia
Member since Oct 2013
1585 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 9:22 am to
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but if you homers are so bound and determined to keep Georgia football just above UK status, then so be it.


This is true, and I can definitely see UT and UF beating us next year. If SC makes a homerun hire, God forbid, we may lose that one as well.
Posted by Damn Good Dawg
Member since Feb 2011
47325 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 9:28 am to
I always respect your opinion crow but I wholeheartedly disagree. Players love plenty of bad coaches. I'm not gonna write my usual paragraph again but this man isn't going to get Georgia where it needs to be and I am ready for Georgia to at least attempt to move the program forward.

Of course, I know we won't do anything and yet again we will have come to the cusp of change only to cower out of it yet again. And I'll just become further disenchanted with this program and coaches' lack of resolve
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32730 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 9:39 am to
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but if you homers are so bound and determined to keep Georgia football just above UK status, then so be it.


This is true, and I can definitely see UT and UF beating us next year. If SC makes a homerun hire, God forbid, we may lose that one as well.


Just above uk status is far from true.
Posted by tissle
Member since Jul 2009
1953 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 9:42 am to
I really like Richt as a person and the players seem to love him. But....

1) Why haven't we won a SECCG in over 10 years
2) Why do we always have shitty special teams?
3) Why can't we have a good offense and defense at the same time?
4) Why do we get blown out in our big games.

Richt does two things really well.

1) Win 9-10 games every year.
2) Beat AU & GT.
Posted by HellRaisingDawg
Lake Park, Georgia
Member since Oct 2013
1585 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 9:47 am to
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Just above uk status is far from true.


Well, where would you place us? Just above Missouri status? We did beat them. SC? Not UT...
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32730 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 10:00 am to
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Just above uk status is far from true.


Well, where would you place us? Just above Missouri status? We did beat them. SC? Not UT...


Go look at the sec standings and figure it out. I have faith you can do it.
Posted by HellRaisingDawg
Lake Park, Georgia
Member since Oct 2013
1585 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 10:04 am to
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Go look at the sec standings and figure it out. I have faith you can do it.


I trust that you understand that I am more objective than to just look at standings.
Posted by Charlestondawg
South Cackalack
Member since Oct 2013
976 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 10:09 am to
Don't fire a coach unless you're ready for a 2 season sh!t show
Posted by GurleyGirl
Georgia
Member since Nov 2015
13147 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 10:15 am to
I agree in principle with your premise. Coach Richt has many fine qualities but I don't think he will ever be an elite coach. This not to say that a "good guy" can't be elite, I don't believe that the "good guy" traits prevent a coach from coaching at the highest level but Richt is missing the drive/determination it takes to coach at that level. Vince Lombardi is probably the best example I can think of as an example of the ethical/moral coach who demanded excellence from his players but who was also generally loved by his players. Lombardi knew that tough love in the end would mold a player into the best they could be in all aspects of life, not just football.

I agree that Richt is also generally loved by his players but what is missing is a system of discipline and diligence it takes to win at the highest level. Nick Saban has such a system. And yes, sometimes it takes some fortunate circumstances/luck. But as the saying goes, luck favors the prepared and our teams have lacked preparation in way too many critical games.

On the positive side, Richt is typically a public relations dream come true from the perspective of UGA administrators. Mark runs a clean program and wins often enough to keep the money flowing in which satisfies most of what our admins care about. Winning a NC would be icing on the cake but it is not a high priority since our admins are obviously on a no-sweets diet.

I think the key for Richt to overcome his limitations is to hire excellent coordinators who have what he lacks, drive/intensity. CMR appears to have found just such a man in DC, Jeremy Pruitt, but we are still missing pieces of the puzzle on the offensive side and on special teams.

In spite of apparently reeling in the best pro-style prospect in Eason, I think the key is to get an OC with an offense that utilizes the skills of athletic QB's and send a loud and clear message that we want athletic QB's. Oklahoma, Ohio St. and Clemson are good examples of the future of college football at the highest level with athletic quarterbacks and a balanced combination of the power running game and spread option passing with the QB as significant threat/option. We are starting to see this even in the NFL with Russel Wilson at Seattle and Cam Newton with the Carolina Panthers.

We all saw what athletic QB's like Tim Tebow, Cam Newton and now Deshawn Watson at the #1 Clemson Tigers can do. Losing/not even considering in-state recruit Watson to Clemson, is at the heart of what is missing on the UGA offense, the offensive diversity that comes with having an athletic quarterback.
Posted by BarberitosDawg
Lee County Florida across causeway
Member since Oct 2013
9914 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 10:23 am to
Crow, CMR is a seven figure salaried officer expected to lead and build a program while accomplishing goals and bring in positive results. He is not some elderly YMCA volunteer checking gate keys at the front door.

This is business and CMR is working off catastrophy management way to often the last 8 or 9 years now.

Nowhere else in business do we let emotion run the chicken coop like we do in sports.

Business is business and if you want different results sometimes a change at the top is merited and expected in getting those results.

The brand is suffering under Marks tutelage and is in dire need of new direction apathy is the real enemy here and it's been allowed to flourish in Athens for sometime now.

Give him a new Ford truck and gold watch and a bible and let him ride off into the sunset.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32730 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 10:38 am to
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quote:

Go look at the sec standings and figure it out. I have faith you can do it.

I trust that you understand that I am more objective than to just look at standings.


Am I supposed to take this serious when you thought Uk was a fair comparison to Uga?
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
39952 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 10:38 am to
I'll say it again. I see no point in firing Richt until the admin team commits to winning at a higher level.
Posted by HellRaisingDawg
Lake Park, Georgia
Member since Oct 2013
1585 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 10:47 am to
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Am I supposed to take this serious when you thought Uk was a fair comparison to Uga?


Take it however you like. The fact is, we beat Kentucky but lost to UT. However you slice it, we are just above UK.

I hope you are ready for Butch Jones to give us the "what for" year in and year out.

BTW, UGA finished 3rd, and UK finished fourth. That's your measuring stick. Just above UK.

Posted by HellRaisingDawg
Lake Park, Georgia
Member since Oct 2013
1585 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 10:55 am to
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ready for a 2 season sh!t show


What's two more?
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32730 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 10:56 am to
When you are 4 games better than another team, it's a very big difference. Meanwhile, The difference between Uga ut and UF is essentially just one player.
Posted by HellRaisingDawg
Lake Park, Georgia
Member since Oct 2013
1585 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 10:57 am to
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Uga ut and UF is essentially just one player.


Or one coach.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32730 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 10:59 am to
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quote:
Uga ut and UF is essentially just one player.


Or one coach.


Nope. Reggie Davis.
Posted by HellRaisingDawg
Lake Park, Georgia
Member since Oct 2013
1585 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 11:06 am to
Ah...it's all Reggie's fault. You can't have his good works if you reject his bad.
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