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I've given this a lot of thought

Posted on 11/29/15 at 3:07 am
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25869 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 3:07 am
This is in regard to Richt remaining the the head coach at Georgia. It might be long, not sure yet. Most of you have seen me post. I tend to be pretty level headed, I hope.

I've read a lot of opinions, some of which have a lot of merit. Know that I come from the perspective of someone who played college sports, not football at Georgia, but athletic 20 year olds are athletic 20 years olds. I'm biased, but I think it's a reasonable bias.

Anyway, I don't think firing Mark Richt is a responsible thing to do. Reason being, our players love him. It's rare that you find a coach that anybody on the team would do anything for. It's the hardest part of coaching college kids. To me, Richt seems to be that guy. The Xs and Os are so minor relatively, and a replacement coach has next to no chance to replicate the relationships that a respected coach creates. Respect is everything.

I've seen both. My best coach found our alpha dog players, and let us get wins. That dude won, but they fired him for not winning it all. My worst coach thought he would add his scheme to our talent and make it happen big. Total bust.

I'm far from saying Richt is flawless. He clearly isn't Nick Saban or Urban Meyer or Jim Harbaugh. However, our guys believe in him, so he's our guy. For that reason, I think he's the best person to coach Georgia moving forward.

Basically, I think firing a coach that your players love and respect can only go poorly. I expect and encourage disagreement, but that's how I see our current situation. I don't even care who the coach is, as long as our players play for him. The last four weeks have shown me that they will play their arse off for Richt.
This post was edited on 11/29/15 at 3:27 am
Posted by HellRaisingDawg
Lake Park, Georgia
Member since Oct 2013
1585 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 3:28 am to
Yours is just another variation of the "but he's a good man" argument for keeping an underperforming coach, albeit an argument made with perspective. This presupposes that the next guy won't be loved and respected, and this simply cannot be known.

Do I care that he is loved and respected? Yes. But that's just one element of what makes a great coach, and Richt is failing in many different areas beyond "he's a good man". That's my concern, and these players are only here for four years...they'll get over Richt being gone, or they won't. There will be growing pains anytime a change is made...
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25869 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 3:29 am to
I get it. Just giving my thoughts.
Posted by HellRaisingDawg
Lake Park, Georgia
Member since Oct 2013
1585 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 3:34 am to
Oh, I know.

The fact is, unless we have a solid plan of succession set up, I'm now leaning toward keeping Richt. I've given much thought to this, and I fricking do not trust McGarity to get it done the way it should be done.

Plus, I think the money wants to give Richt one more, as long as he doesn't retire...
Posted by dawgdayafternoon
Jacksonville, GA
Member since Jul 2011
21579 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 3:50 am to
I think most of this season's disappointment points to the offense and quarterback play. Maybe our QB situation really was that bad and the loss of Chubb certainly changed a lot, but the offense never really evolved around the players we have. A lot of that responsibility falls on CMR.

This much should be clear: the offense needs new guidance. In 2013, almost every skill position starter and our 4 year starting QB were injured at some point during the season and we still finished in the top 20 in almost every category. It was a testament to what a good offensive coordinator could do - have a system where you can plug in different guys and still produce. Our last two NFL coordinators haven't gotten the most out of their talent, so maybe we can find one at the college level who will.

I think the breaking point for many fans (if they hadn't already broken) on Richt was the Florida game when he went with Bauta, which backfired in the worst possible way with the division title still on the line. That move just reeked of desperation against a new Florida coach and now all of the momentum of that "rivalry" is right back on their side.

But I do have to give Richt credit. His team kept playing after that game when they easily could've folded from all of the distractions and speculation of his job.

I think we absolutely have a lot of great talent returning on this team and we may be in a better position next year in a darkhorse role. CMR's have typically played much better when the expectations are lower. But if we do decide to go in a new direction, we better have the right guy in mind and hope that we can retain the defensive coaches on the staff.
Posted by Dawgholio
Bugtussle
Member since Oct 2015
13047 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 5:27 am to
I'm on the fire Richt bandwagon but I'd prefer him just to retire. The other problem we have is getting rid of Richt is only a good idea if you can hire a better replacement. I doubt we can trust McGarity to do that we so many other job openings around the country
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58901 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 5:47 am to
quote:

I think most of this season's disappointment points to the offense and quarterback play. Maybe our QB situation really was that bad and the loss of Chubb certainly changed a lot, but the offense never really evolved around the players we have. A lot of that responsibility falls on CMR.


I understand the "ultimate responsibility" argument. However, a HC that does not allow his assistants to do their jobs without TOO much interference is.....well....Les Miles. And we have seen what an offense under Miles achieves. In his first year, Richt had to give Schottenheimer freedom. We had not QB which put the load on Chubb, and when he went down it left with very little for Schottenheimer to work with. However, he really didn't change his game plans a whole lot....didn't seem to adjust like Bobo did.

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I think the breaking point for many fans (if they hadn't already broken) on Richt was the Florida game when he went with Bauta, which backfired in the worst possible way with the division title still on the line. That move just reeked of desperation against a new Florida coach and now all of the momentum of that "rivalry" is right back on their side.


I agree...but I also remember many of the same fans on this board that was yelling for Richt's firing was screaming for Richt to give Bauta a shot against Florida. I believe I heard the words "He couldn't do worse" and "He might be a game time player and not practice well." It seems no matter what Richt did he would be roundly criticized. He is in a no win situation, and for that reason I think he should move on. There comes a time when a coach just cannot be effective, and it takes a total burn down and destroy of a program for people to realize what they had.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58901 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 5:49 am to
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if you can hire a better replacement.


Fuentes is probably off the table, but Miles is probably safe. USC is still looking, but they tend to stay with coaches from the west. (Herman or Chip Kelly?)
Posted by boliep
Middle Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
251 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 7:03 am to

I would like for Richt to announce his retirement after next year and that would give UGA a chance at a smooth transition.

If Shotty is let go and a really good offensive coordinator is hired that would be all that is needed. But Shotty really, really needs to go somewhere else.
Posted by Red&Black
Athens, GA
Member since Jul 2013
1912 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 7:08 am to
^^this
Posted by JRDawg77
Member since Oct 2013
707 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 7:42 am to
What OC worth his salt is going to come here knowing a new coach will be brought in next year....none. We all know that by now. Crow, I get what you are saying but I watch A lot of top flight teams yesterday that " played their arse off". The difference is they had more talent and better scheme/coaching. We are light years from being on the same level of a top 5 team...hell even top 10. I know many disagree, but the fact we can't close the deal on top talent. Yes we did ok "last year" thanks mainly to Pruitt and this year is shaping up but what about the past 5-8 years. It would have been nice to have Watson taking snaps and handing to Henry and Tunsil blocking while McMillan, Dkeckemiichi, Foster were taking care of things on D. I'm sure others will make excusing on why we missed these. The players we do end up with rarely fill their college potential under our coaching. I can go on and on but hard as I try to agrees with keeping Richt I just can't.
Posted by MSGADawg5988
Member since Feb 2014
1361 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 7:47 am to
I always respect wat you say Crow and I think you are 100% correct in your assessment of the situation. Our team never gave up and that's saying a lot given the amount of young guys on our team who could have just thrown in the towel and waited for next season. But that didn't happen. I am on the fence about firing Richt, I am a younger fan and I don't really know a uga football team without Richt. But I put the program first and think we could find a damn good coach just don't think the time is now. When u have a coach that has been at a program for a number of years like Richt has it makes u wonder if that school is a good program or is it because of the tenured coach that we look at it as a great program. Virginia tech looks like a great program but how much does that have to do with Beamer and all that he has built? IMO Richt has been making the necessary steps to make UGA a championship team but the Schotty hire has set that back. We need to get a new OC and see how we can perform with the talent coming in before blowing up our current staff chasing a coach that may not give us what we really want. With all the big time schools looking for coaches I would hate for us to get in a bidding war with another university and overpay for a coach that is no where near the same caliber as Mark Richt is
Posted by gatorhata9
Dallas, TX
Member since Dec 2010
26172 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 7:54 am to
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What OC worth his salt is going to come here knowing a new coach will be brought in next year....none. We all know that by now.


We know what by now? We don't know what will happen next year. Neither does anyone else.
Posted by gatorhata9
Dallas, TX
Member since Dec 2010
26172 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 7:56 am to
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What OC worth his salt is going to come here knowing a new coach will be brought in next year


No one has any idea this is the case and if Richt is back it will be almost assuredly for more than one year
Posted by Leghumper
Lawrenceville, Georgia
Member since Dec 2003
2330 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 8:18 am to
quote:

I've given this a lot of thought


same ol shite argument..and I didn't have to think this over long nor hard..

I would give Shotty a pass since he had nothing to do with the lack of QB recruitment, etc. but he needed to grow some balls when it came to who started. starting a 2nd string middle of the road QB over 2 guys who sweat and toiled with this team for 2 or more years. It's obvious Ramsey didn't lay at the Richt shrine and was "blackballed" by our inept HC. Starting Baton over ramsey convinced me Richt hates Ramsey and that is that.

Richt's not the awesome guy you all seem to think. He's human just like the rest of us, puts on his draws one leg at a time just like the rest of us, and always..ALWAYS..does something stupid to frick the season up, this season included.

but if you homers are so bound and determined to keep Georgia football just above UK status, then so be it.

I anxsiously await all of your bullshite when next year we lose to both UT, and vandy (who is quietly getting better) as well as UF again. 8-4, 9-3 here we come!
Posted by runningdog
Dawg Nation
Member since Jan 2011
798 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 8:24 am to
With all due respect how do you get past the fact that the man just doesn't appear to be very smart?

I'm not trying to stir the pot. The board has had this conversation at the end of the season for several years running.

I'm not a football coach. I don't profess to be one. I was one of those skinny dudes running around the track. But, let's look at three issues.

Recruiting. I understand the over signing stance of the school. This stance masks Richt's historic failure to recruit strategically. Having a top ten class doesn't mean a lot when 2-3 conference opponents consistently have higher ranked classes. All of my life I've heard and read "the game is won in the trenches"; "defense wins championships." Richt appears to not believe either truism as the recruiting focus has always been on skill players and particularly offensive skill players..

Defense and special teams. The failure to hire a top DC for years signifies a lack of self awareness. Richt's best teams have also largely been his best defensive teams. Richt learned the game under Bowden. Anyone old enough to remember Bowden in his heyday will remember Bowden's disdain for kickers. For the life of me I simply cannot find a rational explanation for Richt's inability to excel in, or even care about, this area of the game.

Offense. I believe Richt's offense is too dependent upon one player -- a pro style QB. In an era of dual threat QB's finding a serviceable pro style QB is a recruiting nightmare. Without a serviceable QB you get what GA had this year -- a very predictable, easy to defend offense. Wouldn't a bright individual do like Saban -- bring in a young offensive mind with a different approach? If the best of the best, Saban, is willing to evolve with the game shouldn't Richt? Is he smart enough to get ahead of the curve? I don't see it. Watson, Marshall and Cam -- all GA boys and none recruited as QB's (Watson was late in the process).
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41633 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 8:26 am to
Sort of off topic but the decision to start Bauta wasn't a bad one. The refusal to play to his strengths or bench him at the half was the problem. There was a reason why he was our third string QB with two legitimate pocket passers ahead of him.

The decision to use him as a pocket passer for the whole game was what made me think Schotty was not capable of being an effective OC for us.
Posted by gatorhata9
Dallas, TX
Member since Dec 2010
26172 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 8:35 am to


quote:

He's human just like the rest of us, puts on his draws one leg at a time just like the rest of us, and always..ALWAYS..does something stupid to frick the season up, this season included.


That has absolutely nothing to do with him as a person



Posted by Red&Black
Athens, GA
Member since Jul 2013
1912 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 8:49 am to
quote:

Sort of off topic but the decision to start Bauta wasn't a bad one


I'm going to disagree with you here. I know we were looking for a spark, but it is pretty clear that Lambert gives us the best chance to win. Not saying that we would have won with Lambert, but Bauta had no business starting his first game in the WLOCP with the East on the line. This was a very poor decision by Richt.
Posted by Mike Gordon
Georgia
Member since Sep 2013
655 posts
Posted on 11/29/15 at 8:56 am to
The talking heads on 680 seem to think he's staying FWIW. (Not much, I know)
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