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GA HB 757 - Should Deal sign it?

Posted on 3/24/16 at 8:22 am
Posted by 3rddownonthe8
Atlanta, GA
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 8:22 am
Is it really worth it to take a stand , when the state looks to loose 1-2B, a playoff bowl, ncaa final four, super bowl, cfp championship, sec championship... the movie industry, and on and on.

Now while I think there should have ever been a reason for the bill, the on going lawsuits by the LGBT community is, in my mind , ridiculous.

But the point of the thread, is it really worth it from a financial and sports side for the state of Georgia.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 8:27 am to
I'm of the opinion that basically any political action related to currently debated social issues is probably not worth the trouble.
Posted by LewDawg
Member since May 2009
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 8:29 am to
I almost started this thread. I was going to tack on the "Campus Carry" bill as well. I hope he signs that one.

I don't see an upside to having this law. At all.

I also don't like a corporation like Disney having any effect on our government's policies. While I don't agree with the law, I sure as shite don't agree with Disney threatening to leave our state if they don't get their way, thus influencing how our state governs.

Didn't Deal say he wasn't going to sign the bill anyway?
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 8:30 am to
can you tell me what that is
Posted by IT_Dawg
Georgia
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 8:34 am to
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A BILL to be entitled an Act to protect religious freedoms; to amend Chapter 3 of Title 19 of the Official Code of Georgia Annotated, relating to marriage generally, so as to provide that religious officials shall not be required to perform marriage ceremonies in violation of their legal right to free exercise of religion; to amend Chapter 1 of Title 10 of the Official Code of Georgia Annotated, relating to selling and other trade practices, so as to change certain provisions relating to days of rest for employees of business and industry; to protect property owners which are religious institutions against infringement of religious freedom; to define a term; to provide an effective date; to repeal conflicting laws; and for other purposes.


GA HB 757
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
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86434 posts
Posted on 3/24/16 at 8:36 am to
why would the SEC Championship leave if we don't let gays marry
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25871 posts
Posted on 3/24/16 at 8:40 am to
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why would the SEC Championship leave if we don't let gays marry

It wouldn't. Might be tough to get the Super Bowl, though.
Posted by IT_Dawg
Georgia
Member since Oct 2012
21723 posts
Posted on 3/24/16 at 8:42 am to
Disney, the NFL, CFB, etc etc are not happy with the "anti-LGBT" bill that would pass.

Here is an article about the NFL saying it would reconsider ATL for the Super Bowl if it is passed.

LINK
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 8:47 am to
Maybe I'm old fashioned but sports and politics shouldn't mix.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 8:53 am to
Short answer? frick no...

Every iteration of this law that has passed in other states (and remained for any extended period of time) has gone on to extend *well past* the original intent due to vague wordings and/or equally large stretches when interpreting the law... it ends up extending to doctors refusing to care for the child of a LGBT couple for example.

Additionally, what stand is there to take? I've yet to see a valid argument for why the bill should exist to begin with.

As far as companies influencing policy, where have you guys been living for the last 50+ years? 75% of all laws passed are in some way shape or form an agenda from some lobbyist group, industry, etc. Government stopped being of the people, by the people, and for the people quite some time ago. Companies like Disney (and many others that have publicly spoken out about this law, the similar one in Indiana last year, and others) are simply using their power to speak up for what boils down to a human rights issue. The real issue here is that the government should never have had the ability to sanction or not sanction *marriage*, rather some kind of officially recognized household/civil union. This would have taken the religious component out of this battle long ago. As it stands, when there is a financial benefit available to one portion of the citizenry but not the rest, due to their sexual orientation, you're simply creating another separate but equal... which has already been proven to be anything but.

This just feels like all the other bullshite religious outrage. No one has a war against Christianity in the US. There's no war on Christmas. Muslims and Gays aren't trying to kill the Christian way of life. And if the people who practiced Christianity actually did their homework and read the book, they'd understand that this is just another sin according to the good book.

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." Apparently, the Christian conservative right would like everyone else to shite in their mouth.

< / end rant... for now>
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 9:00 am to
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CFB

BWAHAHAHAHAAH... Indiana was the last state who actually passed a law like this. They then were met with corporate disdain and relented. While the NCAA (HQ in Indianapolis) did oppose said bill in Indiana, they didn't pull out all the stops and threaten to leave the state as many other organizations did. Now they want to pass disdain Georgia's way for pushing the same legislature... I'll file that one under shite I didn't think I'd ever see.
Posted by IT_Dawg
Georgia
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 9:06 am to
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Additionally, what stand is there to take? I've yet to see a valid argument for why the bill should exist to begin with.


Do you believe that a private business, who are Christians, should be able to refuse service to a gay couple? Should a private business be forced to do business with someone?

This all goes back to the lawsuit the gay couple won against the bakery for not selling them a wedding cake. The business lost the suit and cost them tens of thousands of dollars and likely their business and future financial security.
Posted by GurleyGirl
Georgia
Member since Nov 2015
13161 posts
Posted on 3/24/16 at 9:13 am to
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GA HB 757 - Should Deal sign it?
Is it really worth it to take a stand , when the state looks to loose 1-2B, a playoff bowl, ncaa final four, super bowl, cfp championship, sec championship... the movie industry, and on and on.



Deal should sign it IMO and already has as I type this. If we really do lose all the things that you listed, then it means we are being oppressed by government and liberal progressives in general. The Supreme Court ruling created a head on collision between freedom of religion (which is enumerated in the Constitution) and LGBT rights which is definitely a matter of interpretation/interpolation depending on your perspective. The bill does NOTHING to suppress or marginalize LGBT rights in any way. It simply affirms freedom of religion. Here is the text in pdf form; it's a little over 3 pages: LINK
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25871 posts
Posted on 3/24/16 at 9:24 am to
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Maybe I'm old fashioned but sports and politics shouldn't mix.

We're way past that. Sports is big business and will have to deal with politics.
Posted by LewDawg
Member since May 2009
75242 posts
Posted on 3/24/16 at 9:26 am to
Here's the actual bill that we're discussing

HB 757

Gov. Deal didn't even sign the bill you linked.
This post was edited on 3/24/16 at 9:28 am
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25871 posts
Posted on 3/24/16 at 9:26 am to
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If we really do lose all the things that you listed, then it means we are being oppressed by government and liberal progressives in general.

Those games are run by private enterprises. They have the right to "refuse service" to the state of Georgia by basically the same logic as is being used in the bill.

This is why I said social issues aren't even worth the trouble. You get into this shite, you will lose.

ETA: I think people should have the right to refuse service to anybody based on any reasoning they choose. That isn't going to be accomplished without serious backlash in the modern climate, though.
This post was edited on 3/24/16 at 9:31 am
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 9:51 am to
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Do you believe that a private business, who are Christians, should be able to refuse service to a gay couple?

Not just because they're gay, no. I also don't believe that a white supremacist restaurant owner should be able to deny service simply because someone shows up to they are black. If they're making a scene about it, then it's something else entirely.

Many hospitals are privatized. Should the doctors there be able to refuse care to someone due to their religious beliefs?

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Should a private business be forced to do business with someone?

This is something else entirely. There are any number of ways to refuse to do business with someone without making it a publicity stunt because you believe your religion needs to be in the forefront.
Posted by GhostofCrowell
North Ave
Member since Oct 2013
1701 posts
Posted on 3/24/16 at 9:55 am to
I don't think he's going to sign RFRA. If he's committed to keeping Georgia as the "number one state for business" then it's not good practice.

I think there is a good chance he signs campus carry, however.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 3/24/16 at 9:59 am to
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Not just because they're gay, no.


why shouldn't the business be able to do that if they choose?

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I also don't believe that a white supremacist restaurant owner should be able to deny service simply because someone shows up to they are black


I believe that private businesses should do what they want, things will typically correct themselves in time. If restaurant denied service simply because a customer is black, guess what? It'd be a national news story, their business would end probably within a week, and they'd like face physical threats. Hey, deny service all you want! But you're gonna pay dearly for it.

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Many hospitals are privatized. Should the doctors there be able to refuse care to someone due to their religious beliefs?


I think that's a bit different since you're talking about potential life and death situations as opposed to grabbing a hamburger.

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There are any number of ways to refuse to do business with someone without making it a publicity stunt


Most of the time it's not the private business making it a publicity stunt, it's the ones denied service. The cake/gay couple thing is a perfect example.

I mean, if Lew decided he didn't want to sell plaques to tech fans, should the government tell him he HAS to? Yes, I realize football fans aren't in the same class as gays or minorities. But the point is the same...why should private business owners be told who they have to do business with? Just doesn't make sense to me.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
Member since Dec 2011
16898 posts
Posted on 3/24/16 at 10:03 am to
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head on collision between freedom of religion (which is enumerated in the Constitution) and LGBT rights


Replace LGBT with human and think back over your statement. Understand that the definition of religion is *very* loose in the terms of our federal government and what is actually recognized. If you're unclear, watch the John Oliver segment on televangelism and what it took for him to start his own "church". Do you believe that if your religion said that black people were inferior that it would be ok to deny service? What if it said that women were property and have little to no rights... oh wait.

No one is preventing the couple from practicing their religion. Nothing in the Christian faith says that if you're Christian you should chastise those you don't agree with or refuse service to sinners. This is a more modern interpretation, if you can call it that at all.

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Laws are made for the government of actions, and while they cannot interfere with mere religious belief and opinions, they may with practices.

Your freedom to believe is not and never has been in question. When those beliefs extend into the rights of others is where problems start to arise.
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