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lewis and herschel
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From 1980 untl now with no Football National Championship, our AD has been so
grossly mismanaged over that period its sad. Our historic little brother has now been able to get it done to go along with UT, Auburn, LSU, FSU, Florida and Alabama multiple times since we got it done.

Heck, Washington made the playoffs this year. I hope we have turned the corner but have my doubts.

We let one man stay in charge at UGA way, way too long and he still has his people in the AD perpetuating the idiocy of "The Georgia Way".....

No way it should take this long with the High School Athletes in Metro ATL alone.


deeprig9
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re: From 1980 untl now with no Football National Championship, our AD has been so
Your feelings are valid. Your logic is irrelevant. The future is upon us, and it appears brighter.

Have a drink.


deeprig9
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re: From 1980 untl now with no Football National Championship, our AD has been so
This pains the frick out of me to say.... but we are in a very similar position to what Clemson was in when Dabo took over. But we have more talent on roster than what Dabo started with. If Kirby is the real deal, it won't take us 8 years to win a national championship. In fact, I expect 3 in the next 8 years.

AD seems to be on board with this Win philosophy, seemed to start with Pruitt.



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re: From 1980 untl now with no Football National Championship, our AD has been so
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Our historic little brother has now been able to get it done


Georgia Tech?

In 1990 the ACC had only 8 teams and the only other football team in a collection of basketball schools was Clemson, who has still only managed 2 MNC's in the ACC since HW roamed the plains. The SEC was still sitting at 10 teams beating up on each other.

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along with UT, Auburn, LSU, FSU, Florida and Alabama multiple times since we got it done.


Vols had the fat man and nothing since
Auburn had Cam on a "cash and carry" plan
LSU had Saban and a Saban laden Miles team
FSU had free shoes and other things to help them win
Florida had the state coupled with Spurrier and Oscar "urban" Meyer
Alabama is Alabama, resistance is futile

Getting 9-10 wins a season is not bad but maybe the next level is a bridge too far. UGA women have been to 5 Final Fours but had the misfortune to be in the same conference as Tennessee Lady Vols.

Georgia is no Alabama, but they are no Kentucky either. CFP would be awesome but not if you lower your standards to Fulmer Cup points.


GurleyGirl
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re: From 1980 untl now with no Football National Championship, our AD has been so
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This pains the frick out of me to say.... but we are in a very similar position to what Clemson was in when Dabo took over. But we have more talent on roster than what Dabo started with. If Kirby is the real deal, it won't take us 8 years to win a national championship. In fact, I expect 3 in the next 8 years. AD seems to be on board with this Win philosophy, seemed to start with Pruitt.


I am more optimistic for sure with Kirby on board but Deshaun Watson was/is not unlike Herschel Walker; a once in a lifetime type player. The good news is Saban has found ways to win NC with mediocre QB's that really weren't even serious NFL prospects. Having said that, I don't think mediocre pro-style QB's playing it safe and relying on defense to win games is going to cut in today's college football.


HTDawg
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re: From 1980 untl now with no Football National Championship, our AD has been so
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I don't think mediocre pro-style QB's


You're already judging Eason to be a mediocre pro-style QB, or was that a comment on Bama? Hurts is not a dual threat QB. He's an athlete playing QB. Deshaun Watson is a true dual-threat. He's a great runner and passer, and that is very rare. Most dual threats can only run. If we could get another DJ Shockley I would love it. However, I'd rather have a great pocket passer with no mobility than I would a great athlete who can't throw all that well.


deeprig9
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re: From 1980 untl now with no Football National Championship, our AD has been so
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I am more optimistic for sure with Kirby on board but Deshaun Watson was/is not unlike Herschel Walker; a once in a lifetime type player.


Lets not get carried away.

Watson played a great game, but I think Johnny Football was better.


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I don't think mediocre pro-style QB's playing it safe and relying on defense to win games is going to cut in today's college football.


Meh


DirtyDawg
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re: From 1980 untl now with no Football National Championship, our AD has been so
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Georgia is no Alabama


Historically you are correct as frick.


But with our resources plus our in-state talent base we should be one of the best.
UGA is the picture perfect example of a sleeping giant.


DawgsLife
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re: From 1980 untl now with no Football National Championship, our AD has been so
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a once in a lifetime type player.

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Once in a lifetime players come around every 2-3 years, these days.

Cam
Johnny Football
Watson
Luck
Mariota were all called "Once in a lifetime players".

I think the phrase should cease to exist, and be replaced with special players. All of the players mentioned can be filed under special, but obviously they cannot be filed under "Once in a lifetime".

And that includes Herschel. Bo played at the same time, and then we had Barry Sanders, Adrien Petersen, etc.

I love Herschel Walker but there is no such thing as a "Once in a lifetime" player. Special....yes. Elite....yes.


fibonaccisquared
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re: From 1980 untl now with no Football National Championship, our AD has been so
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Once in a lifetime players come around every 2-3 years, these days.



This. Even the term "generational players" is inaccurate unless you're calling a 3-4 year college athlete cycle a "generation". Elite, special, "the next big thing"... plenty of ways to not get too hyperbolic.


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FaCubeItches
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re: From 1980 untl now with no Football National Championship, our AD has been so
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UGA is the picture perfect example of a sleeping giant.


You misspelled "comatose"


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Cheese Grits
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re: From 1980 untl now with no Football National Championship, our AD has been so
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Historically you are correct as frick.


But with our resources plus our in-state talent base we should be one of the best.


If we are looking at history, Alabama got to cherry pick Alabama, Louisiana, and Mississippi.

Georgia is reversed in that Tennessee and other states have successfully raided Georgia since the beginning. They also had a solid Georgia Tech in state back when the bumbles were still in the SEC.

In the end, UGA has been a heartbreaker in the SEC in the years when they seem solid to go all the way, they slip up in a game they should win. Maddening as it is, I have come to accept the heartbreak.

The other issue is the rise of the state of Florida as a whole since say, 1980

0 MNC's in the state of Florida from 1869 to 1969 (100 years)
0 MNC's in the state of Florida from 1969 to 1979 (10 years)
1980 Free Shoes went 10-2 and Georgia went 12-0
1981 Taters got first MNC
1982 no FL school in hunt
1983 Thug U with Schnellenberger goes 11-1
1984 Gators 9-1-1
1985 Gators 9-1-1
1986 Thug U with Johnson goes 11-1
1987 Thug U goes 12-0 and Free Shoes goes 11-1
1988 Thug U goes 11-1
1989 Thug U goes 11-1 with Erickson
1990 Thug U goes 10-2 but Bumbles get MNC
1991 Thug U goes 12-0
1992 Free Shoes goes 11-1
1993 Free Shoes goes 12-1, Bowden gets 1st MNC
1994 Free Shoes goes 10-1-1
1995 no FL school in hunt
1996 Gators get 1st MNC, Free Shoes goes 11-1
1997 no FL school in hunt
1998 no FL school in hunt Vols win 1st BCS MNC
1999 Free Shoes goes 12-0, Bowden gets 2nd MNC
2000 Thug U goes 11-1
2001 Thug U gets Coker a MNC (last one for the U)
2002 no FL school in hunt
2003 no FL school in hunt LSU gets MNC (shift to the west with Saban)
2004 no FL school in hunt
2005 no FL school in hunt
2006 Gators horsewhip Buckeyes with Meyer
2007 LSU (Miles with Saban recruits) wins it all and shift west increases
2008 Gators corral Sooners and Bradford's high scoring offense (last SEC east win)
2009 Alabama with Saban
2010 Auburn with Cam
2011 Alabama beats LSU (west on west action)
2012 Alabama destroys Notre Dame
2013 Free Shoes wins their 3rd with Jimbo by beating SEC West (Auburn)
2014 Buckeyes (with Meyer) win 1st CFP
2015 Alabama beats Clemson
2016 Clemson beats Alabama

From 1980 on, Clemson + Georgia Tech + Florida State + Miami get the benefit of the pre ACC / current ACC and an easier path to a MNC.

For the past 15 years or so, the SEC east has been dominated by the SEC west primarily by Saban.


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Barstools
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re: From 1980 untl now with no Football National Championship, our AD has been so
Isn't every player a once in a lifetime player? I've never heard of a player that has lived multiple lives.

Dumb cliche is dumb.


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DaveyDownerDawg
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re: From 1980 untl now with no Football National Championship, our AD has been so
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Have a drink.


No IPAs though.


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WG_Dawg
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re: From 1980 untl now with no Football National Championship, our AD has been so
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I think the phrase should cease to exist, and be replaced with special players. All of the players mentioned can be filed under special, but obviously they cannot be filed under "Once in a lifetime".

And that includes Herschel. Bo played at the same time, and then we had Barry Sanders, Adrien Petersen, etc


umm no. Herschel is truly a "once in a lifetime" player because there hadn't been anyone to do what he did and there wont' be again. We will never again see a player as big as the other teams defensive lineman have 10 men in the box knowing he's getting the ball every play and him still be the fastest person in the stadium.

Barry Sanders was great...for a season. If he was so awesome why didn't he start hsi whole career? Oh, because thurman thomas was ahead of him? If you're the best RB in cfb history you dont' sit behind anybody. ADrian peterson? Great player, not on herschel's level.

I agree with your overall point that "once in a generation" is so incredibly overblown. There's one of those players every couple years. But they broke the mold with herschel and there was noboyd else on his level. Even his "counterpart" that might have been, bo, didn't do what herschel did and took himself out of games with injuries which herschel never did.


DaveyDownerDawg
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The good news is Saban has found ways to win NC with mediocre QB's that really weren't even serious NFL prospects.


He wins because he gets good game managers who have five big huge vikings up front and a beast behind him and usually a beast or two split out wide. It's pound pound pound bust one out the gate on the ground or catch you sleeping and throw one over the top.

Then pound pound pound with the defensive vikings in the box then pick-6 or scoop and score on Defense.

That's the Bama way. It all starts up front on both sides for them. I'm convinced that is the key.

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RD Dawg
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re: From 1980 untl now with no Football National Championship, our AD has been so
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That's the Bama way. It all starts up front on both sides for them. I'm convinced that is the key.


So that's the key? Just have the #1 recruiting class 5 straight years,line up and out talent everybody.

Man,lets just do that then!



DaveyDownerDawg
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re: From 1980 untl now with no Football National Championship, our AD has been so
The coaching aspect is implied.


DawgsLife
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re: From 1980 untl now with no Football National Championship, our AD has been so
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Herschel is truly a "once in a lifetime" player because there hadn't been anyone to do what he did and there wont' be again. We will never again see a player as big as the other teams defensive lineman have 10 men in the box knowing he's getting the ball every play and him still be the fastest person in the stadium.


Bo Jackson was just as big as Herschel and their speed was comparable. No doubt Herschel set himself apart since he was getting the ball so often, but that was more a product of not much else on offense and a QB that was average at best.
I am just as big a Herschel fan as anybody, and I think Herschel was actually a bit better RB than Bo, but not by a whole lot.

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Barry Sanders was great...for a season. If he was so awesome why didn't he start hsi whole career? Oh, because thurman thomas was ahead of him? If you're the best RB in cfb history you dont' sit behind anybody.


How many all time greats sit behid other players? Lots. Why? because as great as you are, you are an underclassman competing with Sophomores, Juniors and Seniors and their bodies are just more able to stand up to the challenge. However, that doesn't mean you aren't AS A WHOLE CAREER, a better RB, QB, WR etc.

Stafford didn't start the first game of his college career, but that doesn't mean he wasn't a better QB than Tereshinski.

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I agree with your overall point that "once in a generation" is so incredibly overblown. There's one of those players every couple years. But they broke the mold with herschel and there was noboyd else on his level. Even his "counterpart" that might have been, bo, didn't do what herschel did and took himself out of games with injuries which herschel never did.




And, you might be right. I just feel they were very close in abilities....however, if I give you that argument, then my point still stands. Like you pointed out there is a player every couple of years that is dubbed a "player of a lifetime". I guess I am just tired of hearing it.


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RD Dawg
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re: From 1980 untl now with no Football National Championship, our AD has been so
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The coaching aspect is implied.



Don't think you got my point...we'll NEVER pull 5 straight #1 classes.It'll never happen.We're not an "all in" school and never will be. Bama,Auburn,,Ohio State,Clemson and FSU are ALL schools that have no prior constraints when it comes to winning and don't care about any type of standards.
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