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re: Eason will start vs Vandy?
Posted on 10/4/17 at 12:46 am to UGADawg912
Posted on 10/4/17 at 12:46 am to UGADawg912
Just so that it's known that I am an equal opportunity hole poker...
Doesn't really answer his question. Yards per attempt should somewhat level the playing field on the passing efficiency and Fromm is superior there thus far. But yes, the improved OL and run game have a lot to do with the fewer attempts... and therefore the success (see my comment re: completion percentage)
On a per attempt basis, I'd argue that Fromm may actually have the better argument there. Hardman singlehandedly contributing a lot there, but also Godwin and Wims have had several. With the sheer low number of his passes, on a percentage basis without doing the math, I'd bet Fromm has a higher drop rate (on well delivered balls in many cases).
Eason bounced balls off of DBs facemasks, chests, and hands last season as well... part of that has to do with the volume of passes, but it's also simply freshmen being freshmen.
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1) Fromm hasn't had to throw near as much as Eason did, because our running game couldn't do anything last year behind the OL.
Doesn't really answer his question. Yards per attempt should somewhat level the playing field on the passing efficiency and Fromm is superior there thus far. But yes, the improved OL and run game have a lot to do with the fewer attempts... and therefore the success (see my comment re: completion percentage)
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2) Eason had a lot of dropped passes last year that counted against him.
On a per attempt basis, I'd argue that Fromm may actually have the better argument there. Hardman singlehandedly contributing a lot there, but also Godwin and Wims have had several. With the sheer low number of his passes, on a percentage basis without doing the math, I'd bet Fromm has a higher drop rate (on well delivered balls in many cases).
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3) Fromm has fewer INT's, only because the defenses this year can't seem to catch.
Eason bounced balls off of DBs facemasks, chests, and hands last season as well... part of that has to do with the volume of passes, but it's also simply freshmen being freshmen.
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Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:14 am to Dawg4Life47
Fromm plays defense?
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:45 am to fibonaccisquared
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Yards per attempt should somewhat level the playing field on the passing efficiency and Fromm is superior there thus far.
Correct, but the passing game is opened up more because the running game is working better.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 9:24 am to UGADawg912
Vandy would love for Easy E to start. Their DC's job gets really easy. Stack the box, run blitz and stop UGA.
Chances are E with overthrow some one, hold it too long, throw it too hard and he damned sure won't check into to anything that will hurt your D. Fromm makes the OL and backs so much better. Eason makes them look like shite.
Chances are E with overthrow some one, hold it too long, throw it too hard and he damned sure won't check into to anything that will hurt your D. Fromm makes the OL and backs so much better. Eason makes them look like shite.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 9:29 am to UGADawg912
quote:How has that exaggerated Fromm's QB skills?
1) Fromm hasn't had to throw near as much as Eason did, because our running game couldn't do anything last year behind the OL.
quote:Fromm hasn't had as many dropped passes but the ones that have been dropped were bad, including several 20+ yarders and at least two TDs (granted one of those we got back a few plays later). How does what Eason's receivers did last year exaggerate Fromm's QB skills this year with our current team?
2) Eason had a lot of dropped passes last year that counted against him.
quote:We have those every year. Hell for the first 3 games, our elite defense had tons of opportunities to make INTs but failed to do so. On the flip side, QBs get credited for INTs on perfect passes that were mishandled by their receivers and knocked into the air. Eason had a number of throws last year that should have been picked, too, but how has our current team exaggerated his QB skills in this regard?
3) Fromm has fewer INT's, only because the defenses this year can't seem to catch.
quote:I'm not jumping on Eason at all. I think it was a terrible situation for him and Fromm took advantage of it. I think Eason hasn't taken advantage of the snaps he's had so far this year while Fromm has. Simple as that.
I am not against Fromm by any means, I just don't see how people can be so quick to jump on Eason. All he did for everybody to be on Fromm's side is get injured.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:19 am to deeprig9
Fromm is the starter, Eason is the backup. Eason should play, but only after the Dawgs are up by 4 TD's. If Eason shows Kirby something, I imagine he will get more PT as the season goes on. But, as the backup. If there comes a time where it's obvious Eason is going to pass Fromm, THEN he should start. But, not before.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:27 am to WG_Dawg
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Eason has played and beat better teams than Fromm has seen.
Notre dame is better than any team we beat last year.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:32 am to rockchlkjayhku11
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at some point, dunno when, maybe florida, maybe auburn, maybe tech, maybe not until bama; our QB is gonna have to do SOMETHING. i think eason is more capable of being able to do something.
If our pass blocking sucks like it did vs ut, we are gonna need a qb who can do something with his feet. Who knows how that game goes if we punt only up 10-0. Thankfully Fromm got us a td.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:34 am to Sandwich
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Eason has a very high ceiling and basing his performance of that first game and the few passes he threw is wrong.
Surely Eason would have done well but those first few poor passes were what Eason used to do and clearly still does. That's just part of his game and it leads to more punts than we want to have.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:38 am to Croot
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Vandy would love for Easy E to start. Their DC's job gets really easy. Stack the box, run blitz and stop UGA.
You sir are correct. Unless Eason made significant improvement on reading the field and putting more touch on his passes, this defensive strategy will definitely shut us down.
Funny how our OL and running game "sucked" until Fromm came in.
His effective passing has opened up the run, and now people think our OL is a whole lot better, people think Chubb is "finally back" but in my observation, Fromm's effectiveness is what has opened all this up.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:53 am to deeprig9
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His effective passing has opened up the run, and now people think our OL is a whole lot better, people think Chubb is "finally back" but in my observation, Fromm's effectiveness is what has opened all this up.
The running game success has all been because of Fromm huh? Now I have heard it all from you homer Frommtards
Why not just go ahead and credit Fromm with the reason the defense has been so good? Hell im sure special teams are improved because of Fromm too right?
idiot This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 10:56 am
Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:57 am to gamatt53
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The running game success has all been because of Fromm huh? Now I have heard it all from you homer Frommtards
Defenses aren't stacking the box as much as they were last year.
To what do you credit this?
Just randomness?
Posted on 10/4/17 at 11:05 am to deeprig9
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Defenses aren't stacking the box as much as they were last year.
Please feel free to provide some evidence of this
Posted on 10/4/17 at 11:06 am to gamatt53
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Please feel free to provide some evidence of this
All of the games are on youtube. Do you want me to post all of the individual links?
Posted on 10/4/17 at 11:13 am to djsdawg
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Eason has played and beat better teams than Fromm has seen.
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Notre dame is better than any team we beat last year.
Fromm didn't play the Notre Dame offense... so if we're simply evaluating defenses faced, this isn't remotely accurate.
2016 Florida and Auburn were absolutely better defenses than 2017 Notre Dame. They've had a nice turnaround from 2016, but not by that much. Florida and Auburn finished as top 10 teams defensively last season according to S&P+ among other metrics. Notre Dame is sitting at about 18th right now with the meat of their schedule ahead of them. They likely finish about 25-35th when all is said and done. A good team, but not equivalent defensively to some of the other teams that we faced last year, and definitely not in the same league as Auburn this year.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 11:17 am to UGADawg912
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Correct, but the passing game is opened up more because the running game is working better.
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Doesn't really answer his question. Yards per attempt should somewhat level the playing field on the passing efficiency and Fromm is superior there thus far. But yes, the improved OL and run game have a lot to do with the fewer attempts... and therefore the success (see my comment re: completion percentage)
Why would you selectively quote the first line and then simply restate what I already mentioned in the second as though it was an original thought? It's like you want people to make fun of you...
Posted on 10/4/17 at 11:17 am to fibonaccisquared
quote:Possible, yes, but we've seen Fromm throw a TD pass (to Nauta) with pressure in his face. He's got a quicker delivery than Eason and it's been pointed out a millions times since the App St that Fromm had quicker reads and releases. Eason had a bad habit of always looking downfield for the big play. Fromm has been more of the quick strike QB, throwing short and letting our receivers get the YAC.
Completion percentage: lower percentage of QB hurries this season
When I get some time, I'll see if I can verify that by getting an average time it takes Fromm to release the ball.
quote:See above. Quick releases help neutralize QB pressure (and subsequent sacks) but Fromm's had his share of it, especially against UTk.
Sacks taken: see above
quote:I ran some numbers quickly so it may be a little off but I think i got it. Here are the average 3rd and distances for each game where Fromm was not handing it off to a RB (includes throws, runs, and sacks):
Third down conversion: average distance to go on third down has decreased due to improved OL and running game play
APP: 3rd and 6.2 and 55% completion rate on his 3d throws
ND: 3rd and 8 and a 44% completion rate on his 3d throws
SAM: 3rd and 4.6 and a 66% completion rate on his 3d throws
MS: 3rd and 6.3 and a 83% completion rate on his 3d throws
UTk: 3rd and 5.8 and 50% completion rate on his 3d throws
Averages for all 5 games: 3rd and 6.2 and a 55% completion rate on his 3d throws
I don't know what Eason's numbers were for last year but Fromm has completed 55% of his passes on 3rd and medium or longer, which are obvious passing downs.
quote:There isn't enough data to compare Eason to Fromm for this season. The only thing I can compare is how Fromm has stepped up from his first throw and made use of the playing time he's been given while Eason has not.
All of this is of course conjecture and hypothetical as I've mentioned elsewhere... I'm not sure why it's difficult to admit that you simply don't have sufficient information to gauge Eason as a sophomore vs Fromm as a freshman.
quote:Nope. Easons's 4 attempts aren't sufficient, but we can only guage a player on what they've done. Eason's 4 throws may not be representative of what he can do but they are representative of him not taking advantage of the snaps he's had.
If 4 passing attempts is sufficient, then I should be able to "randomly" sample 4 passes of Fromm's this season and know everything I need to know about his talent... right?
quote:I'm game.
Like say Fromm's first 4 passing attempts in the Tennessee game?
1/4 for 7 yards and 0/2 on 3rd down conversions.
1st pass was an incompletion but his receiver (Nauta) fell down on the play so it's tough to judge whether or not it was truly a bad throw. I think it was questionable at best but I'll leave it as a bad throw for sake of argument.
2nd pass was on the money to Wimms to get us back to the LOS after a sack. It was a good throw.
3rd pass was also on the money. It was an over the shoulder throw that Hardman flat out dropped. Another good throw.
4th pass was a bad throw for an incompletion.
So.. Eason was 1/4 with 1 good throw 3 bad throws while Fromm was 1/4 with 2 good throws and 2 bad throws (including a questionable one). Fromm has the upper hand in this comparison on that small sample size.
The issue isn't just with the numbers but how the numbers came to be or rather, how good the QBs looked in achieving those numbers. Fromm gets the nod in that comparison.
quote:I agree with you there. I'm fine with comparing certain aspects of Eason's freshman season to certain aspects of Fromm's freshman season so far, but the context of the differences in the rest of the team have to be understood and accounted for. I said previously that there is a lot of nuance to football and you can't substitute the QB in a hypothetical and assume everything else would be the same.
The dumbest part about all of this is I *actually* think Fromm should continue to start. It would just be dumb not to try and find out if Eason makes this team better or not. The bickering and complete lack of any basic logical comprehension displayed in these threads has been amusing though I suppose.
That said, I keep going back to what Eason has done with his chances (though small) compared to what Fromm has done with his. Fromm has done more with his chances than Eason has.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 11:31 am to fibonaccisquared
We didn't beat Florida, so not sure why you are including them in a discussion about teams we have beaten, and we need to keep in mind that our defense outscored our offense vs auburn.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 11:33 am to FooManChoo
Posted on 10/4/17 at 11:39 am to UGADawg912
Let's stop acting Like Fromm is out here tearing it up . He isnt doing anything besides being a game manager. That is what the coaches ask of him. Georgia is ranked 119th in passing and 50th in passing tds . The defense is the biggest cog of this team. They are creating turnovers and short fields. We all of a sudden have a vastly improved punting game with Niziak. The offensive line for this years team is much better than last year's version , which had a guard playing tackle. The running game as stagnant last year due to poor run blocking. Chigbu, Stanley, Isiah all had bricks for hands. How many drops did Eason suffer from last year? Anyone want to find adjusted completion % which accounts for drops, throwaways, spiked balls? Eason was asked to win games last year . Fromm hasnt been ask to do that thus far. Please don't reference Notre Dame. Fromm had 2 key turnovers that game which Notre Dame converted into 10 points. The defense was asked to win that game when kirby took a conservative call on our last offensive possession on 3rd and short and opted to let the defense stop Them on the last drive. Georgia doesn't win that game if not for an amazing performance by the defense.Will Fromm need to win games this year? Probably vs Auburn and Alabama.Is he capable of winning games? possibly. Should Eason get a chance to show his wares after being named the starter? I think he should.If he fails, it's as easy as benching him.
This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 11:59 am
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