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Comparing the 2001 preseason roster/depth chart to 2016
Posted on 4/14/16 at 8:20 am
Posted on 4/14/16 at 8:20 am
We looked at the schedules, let's look at the rosters. This is a bit tricky to do since there's a lot of folks in 2016 we don't really know much about yet. In the interest of fairness, I'll apply that same thinking to 2001. For instance, obviously Greene turned out how he did but going INTO 2001 nobody knew anything. Also take someone like Pollack...yeah he was on the roster in 2001 but at THAT time he was still a FB that had never played a snap. So that "preseason 2001" mindset is going to be applied to everyone that season...so if you see someone listed and think "are you crazy, remember when [...], remember to ask if that event happened in the 2000 season or earlier. Positions below will be listed with '01 first.
QB
Greene/Phillips
Eason/Ramsey/Lambert
Edge: 2016. With 2001 you had a slightly above average guy in PHillips that wasn't going to win you anything big and a guy nobody knew much about that redshirted the year prior. 2016 we have a guy similiar to phillips, a guy with some potential but not much PT, and a guy who may be one of the most physically talented passers we've ever had. Fact is going into both seasons, there really wasn't a QB that had accomplished much of anything, so I'll go '16 simply based on potential.
RB
Musa/Sanks/K.Bailey
Chubb/Sony/Douglas
Edge: 2016 pretty easily. Musa had done fairly well in 2000 and showed potential but he certainly wasn't the 02 version yet. Sanks was up and down but mostly unremarkable. Chubb and Sony...are chubb and sony.
FB
Haynes/Wall
Payne
Edge: I'll go 01. Heading into the year we didn't know that Haynes would end up being so good he'd take over at RB, but the combo of haynes/wall provided a little more diversity than we have in 16.
OL
Foster/Jackson/Mcgill/Breedlove/Stinchcomb
Wynn/Sims/Kubs/Gaillard/Pyke
Edge: 01 easily. Granted, we don't know what the OL will look like this year but just going on what we knew at similar times, this is 01 pretty comfortably.
TE
McMichael/Watson
Jeb/Harris/Nauta
Edge: 01. Randy had established himself as a threat already (as has Jeb) but I feel like entering 01/16 I'd give the nod to 01, but not by much
WR
T.Edwards/L.Mitchell/D.Gary/F.Gibson
Godwin/Mckenzie/Ridley?/???
Edge: 01. Granted Gibson hadn't taken a snap and Gary had limited PT, but Terrence alone is the decider. 2nd best WR we've ever had and had already had 2 years worth of accomplishments going into 01.
Overall O: Going STRICTLY by looks of things heading into the season there are/were a lot of question marks on offense for both squads. I'd give the nod to 01 based on returning experience at key positions (especially OL) but I'd put the potential/higher ceiling with 16.
DL
Grant/Wynn/Veal/Sullivan/Mallard
Atkins/Thompson/Ledbetter/???
Edge: Gotta be 01 here. Thompson may be the most talented of the bunch but we just don't have the bodies or experience in the 16 group.
LB
Witherspoon/Gilbert/Bailey
Carter/Patrick/Bellamy/Carter
Edge: I'll call this a tossup...with maybe a SLIGHT edge to 16. Boss missed the entire 2000 season off a knee injury so there were maybe some questions there. Spoon was solid and Gilbert ended up being a beast in 02 but I don't recall much about him entering 01. The 16 group hasn't lived up to potential but Zo and Reggie have both proven to be solid (although reggie is coming off injury as well) and natrez and davin have shown flashes. Idk...this one is pretty close but if I were forced to pick one I guess I'd go 16 just because of the versatility. There's a lot of different styles in that group that 01 didn't have, IMO.
CB
Thornton/Bryant/Clements
Parish/Briscoe/Davis
Edge: 16. Thornton was a RB in 2000 and got moved to DB, Decory ended up being great but not this early, and I don't recall much about dantra clements. Davis and Parish have played for several years now and proven themselves, and Briscoe (among other young bucks at CB) look to have potential out the ears.
S
Phillips/Bierra
Sanders/Mauger
Edge: Gonna go 16. All 4 guys are upperclassmen, but I feel like at the respective point of comparing both units that Sanders has probably set himself apart so I'll give 16 the nod.
Overall D: Going '16 here. I feel like just strictly going on talent/potential we've got a big edge in 16. But also keep in mind that this staff is defense-focused compared to 01 which was offense-focused. Combining talent/experience with having kirby as HC I feel good about giving '16 the nod on D.
Thoughts?
QB
Greene/Phillips
Eason/Ramsey/Lambert
Edge: 2016. With 2001 you had a slightly above average guy in PHillips that wasn't going to win you anything big and a guy nobody knew much about that redshirted the year prior. 2016 we have a guy similiar to phillips, a guy with some potential but not much PT, and a guy who may be one of the most physically talented passers we've ever had. Fact is going into both seasons, there really wasn't a QB that had accomplished much of anything, so I'll go '16 simply based on potential.
RB
Musa/Sanks/K.Bailey
Chubb/Sony/Douglas
Edge: 2016 pretty easily. Musa had done fairly well in 2000 and showed potential but he certainly wasn't the 02 version yet. Sanks was up and down but mostly unremarkable. Chubb and Sony...are chubb and sony.
FB
Haynes/Wall
Payne
Edge: I'll go 01. Heading into the year we didn't know that Haynes would end up being so good he'd take over at RB, but the combo of haynes/wall provided a little more diversity than we have in 16.
OL
Foster/Jackson/Mcgill/Breedlove/Stinchcomb
Wynn/Sims/Kubs/Gaillard/Pyke
Edge: 01 easily. Granted, we don't know what the OL will look like this year but just going on what we knew at similar times, this is 01 pretty comfortably.
TE
McMichael/Watson
Jeb/Harris/Nauta
Edge: 01. Randy had established himself as a threat already (as has Jeb) but I feel like entering 01/16 I'd give the nod to 01, but not by much
WR
T.Edwards/L.Mitchell/D.Gary/F.Gibson
Godwin/Mckenzie/Ridley?/???
Edge: 01. Granted Gibson hadn't taken a snap and Gary had limited PT, but Terrence alone is the decider. 2nd best WR we've ever had and had already had 2 years worth of accomplishments going into 01.
Overall O: Going STRICTLY by looks of things heading into the season there are/were a lot of question marks on offense for both squads. I'd give the nod to 01 based on returning experience at key positions (especially OL) but I'd put the potential/higher ceiling with 16.
DL
Grant/Wynn/Veal/Sullivan/Mallard
Atkins/Thompson/Ledbetter/???
Edge: Gotta be 01 here. Thompson may be the most talented of the bunch but we just don't have the bodies or experience in the 16 group.
LB
Witherspoon/Gilbert/Bailey
Carter/Patrick/Bellamy/Carter
Edge: I'll call this a tossup...with maybe a SLIGHT edge to 16. Boss missed the entire 2000 season off a knee injury so there were maybe some questions there. Spoon was solid and Gilbert ended up being a beast in 02 but I don't recall much about him entering 01. The 16 group hasn't lived up to potential but Zo and Reggie have both proven to be solid (although reggie is coming off injury as well) and natrez and davin have shown flashes. Idk...this one is pretty close but if I were forced to pick one I guess I'd go 16 just because of the versatility. There's a lot of different styles in that group that 01 didn't have, IMO.
CB
Thornton/Bryant/Clements
Parish/Briscoe/Davis
Edge: 16. Thornton was a RB in 2000 and got moved to DB, Decory ended up being great but not this early, and I don't recall much about dantra clements. Davis and Parish have played for several years now and proven themselves, and Briscoe (among other young bucks at CB) look to have potential out the ears.
S
Phillips/Bierra
Sanders/Mauger
Edge: Gonna go 16. All 4 guys are upperclassmen, but I feel like at the respective point of comparing both units that Sanders has probably set himself apart so I'll give 16 the nod.
Overall D: Going '16 here. I feel like just strictly going on talent/potential we've got a big edge in 16. But also keep in mind that this staff is defense-focused compared to 01 which was offense-focused. Combining talent/experience with having kirby as HC I feel good about giving '16 the nod on D.
Thoughts?
This post was edited on 4/14/16 at 8:27 am
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 8:36 am to WG_Dawg
I think you missed on LB a little, and whiffed on S big time. Phillips was ridiculous.
If anything, this scares me a bit. We've got some unproven spots...plenty of them.
If anything, this scares me a bit. We've got some unproven spots...plenty of them.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 8:42 am to WorkinDawg
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and whiffed on S big time. Phillips was ridiculous.
I remember JP mostly from his 2001 season. Went back and compared Phillips and Sander's 2000/2015 seasons:
JP: 85 tackles, 2 INT
DS: 48 tackles, 6 INT
I definitely underestimated JP's 2000 season. However, JP was listed as a WR in '99 so the 2000 season is the only S experience we have from him. Not the case for Dominick, who also had 34 tackles adn 3 INT as a FR. I guess all things considered, I'd put those 2 as neck and neck entering their seasons. Good catch.
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I think you missed on LB a little,
I'd truly call that a tossup. Gilbert and Bailey's MONSTER 02 seasons are irrelevant here. Boss had 68 tackles in '99 then missed all of '00. Gilbert had 96 tackles in 00...definitely better than I anticipated. Like I said though, I like 16's versatility. Gilbert was a thumper (ala Kimbrough this year) and Bailey was a do-it-all guy. Spoon was kind of a mix of both of those guys, skill wise. IMO.
Zo and Bellamy are dynamic off the edge getting to the passer, patrick is the headhunter of the group and reggie can drop back in coverage or play the run. I just thought that overall, as a LB group, I'd give the edge to '16 if I absoultey had to pick.
This post was edited on 4/14/16 at 8:47 am
Posted on 4/14/16 at 8:50 am to WG_Dawg
Looks like a pretty fair comparison...
RB-definitely goes to 16, and that is without even taking into account Holyfield.
OL-in 01 was far better, but I think our OL in 17 will be the best we have had in a very long time.
WR- I agree that 01 takes the edge, however IF(and that's a big if) we get D-Rob, the gap will close drastically.
RB-definitely goes to 16, and that is without even taking into account Holyfield.
OL-in 01 was far better, but I think our OL in 17 will be the best we have had in a very long time.
WR- I agree that 01 takes the edge, however IF(and that's a big if) we get D-Rob, the gap will close drastically.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 8:52 am to DrewDawg13
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IF(and that's a big if) we get D-Rob, the gap will close drastically.
True, but keep in mind that Gibson/Ridley/Robertson would all be considered on an even plane here since none have/had taken a snap yet.
Potential-wise, yeah it'd be 16 majorly. But production wise I think terrence alone gives 01 the edge.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 8:56 am to WG_Dawg
On LB, think it is mindset. I compare Zo/ Bellamy to Pollack/ Thompson more so than Gilbert/ Bailey/ Spoon. Compare our OLB's to 2001 DE's and 2001 becomes a pretty clear winner at LB.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 10:01 pm to WG_Dawg
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Thornton/Bryant/Clements
Tim Wansley says hello.C'mon,the guy was a preseason AA
and a stud as a punt returner.'01 on this.
Posted on 4/16/16 at 7:23 am to WG_Dawg
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Edge: I'll call this a tossup...with maybe a SLIGHT edge to 16. Boss missed the entire 2000 season off a knee injury so there were maybe some questions there
Boss still particiated in spring amd was pre season All
SEC and made the season Butkus list...not close to what we know about Zo going into '16.He won't be on either a pre season all SEC or Butkus list.Witherspoon was also a known solid commodity.Maybe depth goes to '16
but '01 gets the edge here.
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