re: Bubba Watson to paint over Confederate flag on General Lee

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I don't understand why anyone would want to display a symbol favored by neo nazis, skinheads and the KKK.

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Well?

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There are worthwhile issues to fight for but the rebel flag isn't one of them.

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What about the countless Confederate Memorials their trying to rip down Whiz ? The ones that the mother's, wives, and daughters erected in the memory of their dead sons,husbands, and brothers. Over 300,000 of em. Should people sit idle on those as well?

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The South fought in defense of this american principle. And the north fought against it.

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H.L. Mencken put it best:

"The doctrine is simply this: that the Union soldiers who died at Gettysburg sacrificed their lives to the cause of self-determination — 'that government of the people, by the people, for the people,' should not perish from the earth. It is difficult to imagine anything more untrue. The Union soldiers in that battle actually fought against self-determination; it was the Confederates who fought for the right of their people to govern themselves. What was the practical effect of the battle of Gettysburg? What else than the destruction of the old sovereignty of the States, i. e., of the people of the States? The Confederates went into battle an absolutely free people; they came out with their freedom subject to the supervision and vote of the rest of the country—and for nearly twenty years that vote was so effective that they enjoyed scarcely any freedom at all."

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The state of GA put the confederate flag on the state flag in 1956. I'm sure that it's just a coincidence that they decided to honor our history the year after the civil rights movement began.

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The state actually adopted the confederate flag as the state flag in 1879. The state changed it in 1956 to the battle flag , because much like today, people are ignorant too it . The official reason for changing it was commemorating the centennial of the war. Little Rock pushed it forward 4 yrs. I'm not naive man. Resistance to the Federal Govt's desegregation mandate was a hot button issue, throughout the country (see Boston ),not just Georgia and the South. The main difference in Georgians then vs now is the 1956 Georgian stood his ground for what he believed , today's Georgian packs his shite and moves north to another sprawling suburb and calls it progress.

Why not just sell the thing versus defacing it?

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Why not just sell the thing versus defacing it?

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because then that evil piece of machinery the likes of which have not been seen since Christine would still be alive and well in someone else's hands.

Only course of action is to remove the flag from everywhere. Wipe away it's existence.

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No, because most white people choose not to have kids they can't afford

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True, and other people have multiple children that they cannot afford and will not raise just so that they can say they have a number of children and use it as a statist symbol while our salaries and bonuses are taxed to high hell to help pay for them. Welcome to Merica!

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how do you explain the numerous Articles of Secession and Declarations of Causes from the southern states that pretty much pointed to slavery as the main point of contention?

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What is there to explain?

Slavery was obviously a hotbed divisive political issue at the time, (not necessarily for the reasons people today think) and the agrarian South's economy was tied directly to the practice and much capital was invested in this "property". Ending the practice abruptly with no plan would mean financial ruin for the South.

So, proponents of secession used the subject to "fire the southern heart" over concerns that the new Lincoln administration was determined to contiually harass them over slavery rather than letting the state's handle the issue on their own. The mentally ill John Brown's attempted terrorist attack in Virginia, which was financially backed by northern interests, was also fresh on the SOuthern mind as well. Conjuring up images of the bloody slave insurrections recently in the Caribean. So, obviously this would be something that concerned all Southerners. Slave owning or otherwise.

But of course, you can't just look at the Southern side of slavery. Lincoln, a lawyer that had represented slave-owners and who was a life-long proponent of deporting all blacks from the country, proposed and supported an amendment to the u.s. constitution aimed directly at relieving these concerns about federal interference in slavery.

It was called the Corwin Amendment. And he speaks of it in his first inaugural address. And it spelled out in clear language that the federal government was forever prevented from touching slavery in the states where it existed.

SO, slavery would have been explicitly enshrined in the COnstitution, but yet, the Southerners still seceded. In fact, ending slavery didn't even enter the picture until two years into the bloodbath when it looked like the South might win her Independence. And it certainly wasn't for humanitarian reasons. The emancipation proclamation was a war measure to free slaves in confederate states. It did nothing to free slaves in states that were loyal to his "union". THose slaves in the north were not freed.

Also, it's important to realize that when the SOuth Carolinians fired on Ft. Sumter, there were more slave states still in the union than had seceded.

shite, there's volumes more, but most have probably stopped reading already anyway because it's turning into a BeefDawg post... Last word though: The states created the federal government. Please notice that there was never any legal challenge to the Right of secession over slavery or any other topic. It is the inherent right of a state to leave the union if it's people choose to. That is called "State's Rights".

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The SOuth could have dropped their muskets at any time and returned to the "union" and been allowed to keep their slaves. 

But, still they fought.

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Without the first drop of blood spilled.