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re: Apparently Georgia wants to legalize gambling.
Posted on 12/9/16 at 10:12 pm to Tdawg24
Posted on 12/9/16 at 10:12 pm to Tdawg24
We shouldn't be regulating the actions of consenting adults. As long as it doesn't create a burden on the rest of society have at it. Pot should never have been criminalized in the first place.
As long as we don't have to pay benefits to people that sit around and smoke weed all day - I don't care.
Also...it would be nice if my freedom loving small government Republican Party would be so kind as to lift the ban on internet poker so I could lose my own money as I choose. TIA.
As long as we don't have to pay benefits to people that sit around and smoke weed all day - I don't care.
Also...it would be nice if my freedom loving small government Republican Party would be so kind as to lift the ban on internet poker so I could lose my own money as I choose. TIA.
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Posted on 12/10/16 at 2:16 pm to SquatchDawg
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As long as it doesn't create a burden on the rest of society have at it.
Therein lies the rub - most vices do ultimately create a burden on the rest of us.
Vices generate addicts. Addicts will need treatment or crime will increase. Do-gooders will say that treatment should be "free," (and that argument will get even stronger with state-sponsored/permitted activities) and then we're all on the hook.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 4:02 pm to FaCubeItches
FaCubeitches is deluded. If there were no drug war addictive substances wouldn't lead to economic slavery because monopoly prices wouldn't exist and there would be no pushers motivated to create new victims. Under freedom, the rate of addiction would decline and addicts wouldn't need to steal to support habits.
Research how Portugal and Spain are faring after changing their harsh laws.
Research how Portugal and Spain are faring after changing their harsh laws.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 4:12 pm to Whiznot
quote:Regardless of one's views on drugs, that's pretty dumb. Just like people will get them whether they're legal or not, people will become addicted whether they're legal or not.
Under freedom, the rate of addiction would decline and addicts wouldn't need to steal to support habits.
Thankfully alcohol being legal cured alcoholism, right?
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Posted on 12/10/16 at 6:56 pm to TMDawg
TMDawg, you fail to understand how fiercely addicted pushers drive the addiction of others in order to afford their own fix. Addiction rates actually do decline when drugs are available and affordable but not pushed. It may be counter intuitive but it's true.
Under prohibition, addiction is highly communicable. Under freedom, there is not the same incentive to spread the habit to others.
Under prohibition, addiction is highly communicable. Under freedom, there is not the same incentive to spread the habit to others.
This post was edited on 12/10/16 at 7:00 pm
Posted on 12/10/16 at 8:34 pm to FaCubeItches
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The biggest one was Franzese's gas scam, but the Mob could make money off anything. They even had a parsley racket going.
Absolutely. I laugh when I hear people say they can put the mob out of business by legalizing, drugs, prostitution, etc.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 8:36 pm to SquatchDawg
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As long as we don't have to pay benefits to people that sit around and smoke weed all day - I don't care.
Welfare ring a bell? Ricky Williams walked away from millions because he wanted to smoke pot. Then cam back once he blew a good portion of his money, but he had lost the talent that made him a star.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 8:39 pm to TMDawg
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Under freedom, the rate of addiction would decline and addicts wouldn't need to steal to support habits.
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Regardless of one's views on drugs, that's pretty dumb. Just like people will get them whether they're legal or not, people will become addicted whether they're legal or not.
My daughter works in Amsterdam. Ask her if they have a drug problem. Needles on the sidewalks and in the parks. Bicycles stolen all the time to support their habit. Most people outside of Amsterdam would tell you it is a bad situation.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 8:41 pm to Tdawg24
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There's talk about pot and prostitution thoughts? I'm for it farmers could make some money. Atlanta , Athens and other cities with large populations could make a lot o
Walker Co in particular could benefit from a casino. Their sole county commissioner has financially ruined the county and something generating massive tax income like a casino could bail them out.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 9:14 pm to Whiznot
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If there were no drug war addictive substances wouldn't lead to economic slavery because monopoly prices wouldn't exist and there would be no pushers motivated to create new victims.
Guess you're not real familiar with how governments work. Anything sold by the government will be taxed,then there will be fees for stuff like needle programs and rehab, etc. The illegal trade won't go away - it will just sell better stuff, cheaper.
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Under freedom, the rate of addiction would decline and addicts wouldn't need to steal to support habits.
Right...because government approved drug vendors would just give away product right? Assuming momentarily that they did, the taxpayers would end up footing the bill. If someone needs/wants more of something than they can afford, they'll find some way to get it.
Oh...and all of those legal vendors? They have large supplies of drugs and cash. They'll never, ever, ever get robbed, just like the dispensaries here in California never do. Ever. Seriously. Ever.
Posted on 12/10/16 at 9:24 pm to DawgsLife
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Welfare ring a bell? R
That's the caveat isn't it. Everyone wants freedom to make their own choices until they screw up ...then they want everyone else to bail them out.
But those are two separate issues. I actually like the idea of drug testing anyone on federal or state assistance....but God knows that will never pass.
Capital "C" Conservatives need to come to grips with the simple truth that you can't preach about liberty and freedom while also trying to regulate behavior you don't like or approve of. These social issues are battles for that need to be waged in the churches and communities .... not legislated in Washington.
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Posted on 12/11/16 at 6:19 am to SquatchDawg
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t those are two separate issues. I actually like the idea of drug testing anyone on federal or state assistance....but God knows that will never pass.
I'm with you. If you are on government assistance , you should be drug tested. However, of some reason, that would be violating their civil rights. I've never understood that argument. I am all for helping people that need help. However, if they are using what little money they have to buy drugs, then they don't need my assistance. (Monetary assistance, anyway)
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Capital "C" Conservatives need to come to grips with the simple truth that you can't preach about liberty and freedom while also trying to regulate behavior you don't like or approve of.
I understand what you are saying, but every single law we have on the books regulates behavior we don't approve of....and every single behavior affects someone else. Yes, prostitutes bear children with AIDS, Syphillis all the time. Men bring STD's home to their wives all the time. Alcohol and drugs are the major cause of traffic fatalities.
There simply is no victimless crime. I realize that I am in the minority in my thinking, but years of experience has formed these opinions.
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These social issues are battles for that need to be waged in the churches and communities .... not legislated in Washington.
Understood, but the churches are emptying out, just as they are empty in Europe. Unfortunately they have a very limited influence.
Posted on 12/11/16 at 6:21 am to FaCubeItches
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Guess you're not real familiar with how governments work. Anything sold by the government will be taxed,then there will be fees for stuff like needle programs and rehab, etc. The illegal trade won't go away - it will just sell better stuff, cheaper.
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Right...because government approved drug vendors would just give away product right? Assuming momentarily that they did, the taxpayers would end up footing the bill. If someone needs/wants more of something than they can afford, they'll find some way to get it.
Oh...and all of those legal vendors? They have large supplies of drugs and cash. They'll never, ever, ever get robbed, just like the dispensaries here in California never do. Ever. Seriously. Ever.
All of this is correct. A quick look at Amsterdam shows this. There is no easy answer, but I know this....a completely open and permissive society is not the answer.
Posted on 12/11/16 at 3:10 pm to Tdawg24
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pot gambling prostitution what a great combo
You can buy anywhere in the state in 15 minutes with no idea where to go, you can buy a lottery ticket anytime you want except for some days when the bible thumpers get their silly way (it is good to accommodate the mentally challenged when you can do so without a lot of trouble) and any message parlor in the state that is on an interstate exit OR open until midnight 7 days a week is a whore house....not just a rub and tug but if you go twice the entire menu is yours the second time when they know you ain't Johny Law. The same is true to a lesser extent with every strip joint in the state. If you have been to strip joints and do not know this you look like a cop or have BO.
There is nothing in the state of Georgia that isn't for sale...why try to prevent adults from selling what they want or buying what they want to buy. The only things I can think of off the top of my head that ought to be prohibited is murder for hire and child pornography...anything else is a legitimate business for adults to trade with adults.
Posted on 12/11/16 at 3:27 pm to germandawg
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There is nothing in the state of Georgia that isn't for sale...why try to prevent adults from selling what they want or buying what they want to buy.
Let me get this straight. Your argument is if it can be had or done illegally, we should go ahead and make it legal? You can also find a killer for hire, buy crack, heroin, and Meth. The mob is in all 50 states, and you can drive drunk any time you want.
Maybe we should make all the above legal?
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The only things I can think of off the top of my head that ought to be prohibited is murder for hire and child pornography...anything else is a legitimate business for adults to trade with adults.
Pedophilia, bribery, DWI, Spousal abuse, bestiality
Seriously? Did you think this through at all?
Posted on 12/11/16 at 5:50 pm to DawgsLife
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There is no easy answer, but I know this....a completely open and permissive society is not the answer.
A lot of life comes down to working through a set of bad options to find the least horrible one. On the whole, personal liberty and local governance are preferable to big one-size-fits-all regulation and central control, though.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 6:47 am to DawgsLife
"Pedophilia, bribery, DWI, Spousal abuse, bestiality
Seriously? Did you think this through at all?"
In the context of the OP prohibiting or prohibition was used in my post in the sense of it being illegal to trade in something....and you mentioned:
"Let me get this straight. Your argument is if it can be had or done illegally, we should go ahead and make it legal? You can also find a killer for hire, buy crack, heroin, and Meth. The mob is in all 50 states, and you can drive drunk any time you want."
I said the only thing that I can think of off the top of my head that it ought to be illegal for an adult to buy is child porn and murder for hire. Driving while intoxicated is not commerce.
But to you bigger point....yes...Meth, Heroine, anything at all that an adult wants to buy and another wants to sale should be legal. You make the point about DUI and it being illegal but still pretty common....the same is true of people buying and selling meth...the difference is that the drunk driver can seriously impact other people....meth being produced in a legal, regulated industry and sold in a legal, regulated retail establishment would not impact anyone other than the user and the seller.
When Alcohol was illegal this nation was awash in moonshine....now that you can buy a half a gallon of cheap liqour for $25 moonshiners can only make money in niche markets where there product is considered an oddity...and even then they ain't making much if any....most moonshine made in the US today is done so as a hobby without any commercial considerations because it can't be done profitably because liqour is legal and regulated.
Leaving emotion out is there any product or service that you can think of that should be prohibited to adults other than murder for hire and child porn (including child prostitution)? I seriously can't. If we are going to allow cigarettes and tobacco products to be sold and encourage the sale of alcohol as we do the only reason anything of that nature is illegal is because those industries lobby to keep it that way....there is no more damaging substance known to man that tobacco...I would bet that almost all crack, meth and heroine addicts as well as alcoholics started their adventures in drug usee by pilfering a cigarette from someone and sneaking off to smoke it with friends....and the ones that didn't start that way did the same thing with a beer from Daddy's fridge...
Seriously? Did you think this through at all?"
In the context of the OP prohibiting or prohibition was used in my post in the sense of it being illegal to trade in something....and you mentioned:
"Let me get this straight. Your argument is if it can be had or done illegally, we should go ahead and make it legal? You can also find a killer for hire, buy crack, heroin, and Meth. The mob is in all 50 states, and you can drive drunk any time you want."
I said the only thing that I can think of off the top of my head that it ought to be illegal for an adult to buy is child porn and murder for hire. Driving while intoxicated is not commerce.
But to you bigger point....yes...Meth, Heroine, anything at all that an adult wants to buy and another wants to sale should be legal. You make the point about DUI and it being illegal but still pretty common....the same is true of people buying and selling meth...the difference is that the drunk driver can seriously impact other people....meth being produced in a legal, regulated industry and sold in a legal, regulated retail establishment would not impact anyone other than the user and the seller.
When Alcohol was illegal this nation was awash in moonshine....now that you can buy a half a gallon of cheap liqour for $25 moonshiners can only make money in niche markets where there product is considered an oddity...and even then they ain't making much if any....most moonshine made in the US today is done so as a hobby without any commercial considerations because it can't be done profitably because liqour is legal and regulated.
Leaving emotion out is there any product or service that you can think of that should be prohibited to adults other than murder for hire and child porn (including child prostitution)? I seriously can't. If we are going to allow cigarettes and tobacco products to be sold and encourage the sale of alcohol as we do the only reason anything of that nature is illegal is because those industries lobby to keep it that way....there is no more damaging substance known to man that tobacco...I would bet that almost all crack, meth and heroine addicts as well as alcoholics started their adventures in drug usee by pilfering a cigarette from someone and sneaking off to smoke it with friends....and the ones that didn't start that way did the same thing with a beer from Daddy's fridge...
This post was edited on 12/12/16 at 7:01 am
Posted on 12/12/16 at 7:29 am to Whiznot
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Under freedom, the rate of addiction would decline and addicts wouldn't need to steal to support habits.
Please,Opioids are readily available and cheap (with insurance) and addiction rates are out of control.
Posted on 12/12/16 at 2:34 pm to Tdawg24
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There about to build a casino where I live.
where do you live?
Posted on 12/12/16 at 8:24 pm to RD Dawg
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Please,Opioids are readily available and cheap (with insurance) and addiction rates are out of control.
So? Seriously, as bad as it is the state has no business prohibiting adults from doing stupid shite. Unless we are going to start at the foundation...Cigarettes (and all tobacco) and alcohol....both of which have and continue to kill more people than all of the 'illicit" drugs known to man....
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