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re: A question for coaches or those that played at the next level.

Posted on 7/11/17 at 2:56 pm to
Posted by RhodeDawg
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Posted on 7/11/17 at 2:56 pm to
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And most college Ds flip to the strength so that the Sam backer always goes to the strength and is pkayed by the same player.


Because he's typically the best LB all around? Is he more of a run stopper?

EtA: Gap clogging kind of hitter?
And maybe the Will is faster/ needs to cover more real estate?
This post was edited on 7/11/17 at 3:00 pm
Posted by RhodeDawg
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Posted on 7/11/17 at 3:06 pm to
Appreciate you checking in.

I won't drive you guys crazy anymore. I appreciate all of the feedback. I've learned a lot in this thread.
I just played in HS. TE. I basically blocked the DE unless it was a power, then I'd cross block the tackle. We seldom threw the ball.
There's a ridiculous amount of football knowledge on this board.
Appreciate it fellas.
Posted by DoubleDawg22
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Posted on 7/11/17 at 3:38 pm to
Today, football boils down to this: offense will play to whatever numbers they get. If the defense has more run defenders the offense will pass and if they have more pass defenders the offense will run the ball.

If the defense is being really aggressive with the run game the offense will play action or RPO. Don't get too focused on RPO's, they are an accessory to a meal not the main dish. They can be extremely effective but if we suck up front line we did last year RPO's won't make a difference.
This post was edited on 7/11/17 at 3:39 pm
Posted by DoubleDawg22
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Posted on 7/11/17 at 3:44 pm to
Every school is different. Some play technique of the blockers, some get up field. Watch the defensive ends when they show that camera overhead and you will see what I'm talking about. You might see the backside DE slide down the line like a basketball player. This is called a squeezer. Then you may see them turn and run down the line, this is a wrong arm technique. Some schools don't teach this type of thing or they may change it up and do both at different times of the game.

Myles Garrett at A&M didn't play technique instead he would attack the handoff and force the QB to give it.

It can get extremely technical.
Posted by VADawg
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Posted on 7/11/17 at 4:27 pm to
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Seems to me outside containment is the simple key to defeating that CPJ option scheme.


Disagree. If you aren't stopping the dive plays you have no shot against that offense
Posted by RD Dawg
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Posted on 7/11/17 at 5:18 pm to
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If you aren't stopping the dive plays you have no shot against that offense


See the '14 GT game...God we got killed all day on the dive.
Posted by Peter Buck
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Posted on 7/11/17 at 6:28 pm to
Technically, if you are playing assignment football, as a linebacker especially, you can get pulled out of position by playing assignment football.... that's kinda the point..
Posted by Rules
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Posted on 7/11/17 at 7:24 pm to
Yeah, I keep hearing people say "assignment football" and they keep being wrong.

The teams that defend it best have huge, fast, mobile defensive lines. That's all it takes.
Posted by VADawg
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Posted on 7/11/17 at 7:55 pm to
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Yeah, I keep hearing people say "assignment football" and they keep being wrong.

The teams that defend it best have huge, fast, mobile defensive lines. That's all it takes.


Seems like teams that have monsters at DT do well against them too. Guys that can eat the dive play without having to commit extra linebackers to it.
Posted by Peter Buck
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Posted on 7/11/17 at 9:27 pm to
My comment specifically refers to reading a run block scheme, thus attacking the LOS and thus being out of position to defend the pass. That's why they made it a rule that O lineman can't run downfield and engage LBs to force them out of pass defense.
Posted by AlaCowboy
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Posted on 7/12/17 at 5:21 pm to
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Generally speaking, you'd add plays to your playbook for a certain personnel grouping. It could limit what you can do with that package, but asking your offensive line to totally change their blocking scheme for the same play is slightly ridiculous. A lineman's blocking assignment is rarely as simple as it is on paper; it shifts with the defense's alignment and it shifts if the center or QB read a blitz. Defense shifts from right to left late in the cadence? Guess what, your assignment has shifted. Your brain when you're up at the line, especially in a pro-style offense, is constantly working... it's damn near calculus. Throwing another variable in there makes the job even more difficult.


This, plus every QB has a different cadence and rhythm. OL, RBs and WRs have to adjust to that. That's why you see a lot of false starts when changing QBs. Best thing for that is to go on first count or just watch center for the snap.
Posted by AlaCowboy
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Posted on 7/12/17 at 5:26 pm to
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The teams that defend it best have huge, fast, mobile defensive lines. That's all it takes.


Reference Auburn in the NC game against Oregon. Their D-line had 14 tackles behind the line on the Oregon speed backs.
Posted by JacketFan77
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Posted on 7/13/17 at 12:33 pm to
Just rewatched our game from last year - y'all should do the same. The first two big runs, one a TD, were off the outside edge. Y'all started to contain that, so we threw it down field for 60 yards.

The TO is a thing of beauty when it's run well.
Posted by RhodeDawg
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Posted on 7/13/17 at 12:45 pm to
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The TO is a thing of beauty when it's run well.

I can't disagree. That's why I call it an antique offense (sour grapes).
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