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A question for coaches or those that played at the next level.
Posted on 7/11/17 at 11:22 am
Posted on 7/11/17 at 11:22 am
This is beyond my area of expertise:
I remember a short time that CMR used both DJ Shockley and David Greene at the same time (pretty sure those were the 2 QBs, could be wrong).
My question is:
Assuming that Fields commits, we would have a pro- style QB in Eason and a DT in Fields.
Is it feasible to "train" the Oline and other offensive players to execute a RPO type offense when Fields is in and a more typical UGA pro- style i back attack when Fields isn't in?
Or is that not really possible because of blocking schemes, etc? In other words, is that just too much to expect from the overall offense?
I remember a short time that CMR used both DJ Shockley and David Greene at the same time (pretty sure those were the 2 QBs, could be wrong).
My question is:
Assuming that Fields commits, we would have a pro- style QB in Eason and a DT in Fields.
Is it feasible to "train" the Oline and other offensive players to execute a RPO type offense when Fields is in and a more typical UGA pro- style i back attack when Fields isn't in?
Or is that not really possible because of blocking schemes, etc? In other words, is that just too much to expect from the overall offense?
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Posted on 7/11/17 at 11:27 am to RhodeDawg
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A question for coaches or those that played at the next level
I don't fit this category, but I hate juggling QBs. If one gets hot, let him run with it.
Posted on 7/11/17 at 11:33 am to VADawg
I hear you. I think that's how CMR played the 2 of them actually.
But I'm just wondering with 2 different style QBs, hypothetically, if that would simply be asking too much of the offense.
But I'm just wondering with 2 different style QBs, hypothetically, if that would simply be asking too much of the offense.
Posted on 7/11/17 at 11:35 am to RhodeDawg
You don't have to have a runner to run RPO's. It's just a route with a running play and if the defense over Pursues the run game you throw it to the vacated space.
RPO's are designed to keep the defense honest and to slow their pursuit of the football down.
A DT QB helps when plays breakdown and they keep backside pursuit honest and make the defense play less aggressively. The schemes don't change much at all with a DT-QB. It's kinda hard to explain without a picture or video.
RPO's are designed to keep the defense honest and to slow their pursuit of the football down.
A DT QB helps when plays breakdown and they keep backside pursuit honest and make the defense play less aggressively. The schemes don't change much at all with a DT-QB. It's kinda hard to explain without a picture or video.
Posted on 7/11/17 at 11:46 am to DoubleDawg22
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You don't have to have a runner to run RPO's.
This
Posted on 7/11/17 at 11:50 am to RhodeDawg
If the officials would stop OL from blocking downfield on pass plays, it would slow down this surge toward mobile quarterbacks and RPO. Offensive coaches have found a way to "cheat", by taking away the defense's ability to key on whether the OL is run blocking or pass blocking. Urban Meyer kicked this trend into high gear when he used it to win a couple of championships at Florida with a mediocre quarterback, and it's made the game less interesting, to me at least.
Posted on 7/11/17 at 11:50 am to Crowknowsbest
My understanding is that the RPO has 3 options though:
QB reads a DE, for example then
A) will hand off to a back
B) pull out the handoff and pass
Or
C) keep it and run the ball himself
Seems to me a pro-style QB wouldn't really have that 3rd option.
Am I wrong?
QB reads a DE, for example then
A) will hand off to a back
B) pull out the handoff and pass
Or
C) keep it and run the ball himself
Seems to me a pro-style QB wouldn't really have that 3rd option.
Am I wrong?
Posted on 7/11/17 at 11:54 am to RhodeDawg
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Seems to me a pro-style QB wouldn't really have that 3rd option.
Am I wrong?
No, but you don't really need the third option usually. It's not that effective.
It's like the zone read, except instead of pulling it and running, the QB flips it out quick to the WR.
It's so hard to defend because that gets the ball outside a lot quicker than the QB run does.
Posted on 7/11/17 at 11:54 am to RhodeDawg
I guess my real question is:
Does the offensive line have to learn a new blocking scheme to run a RPO, or can they basically still run a typical pro set?
Does the offensive line have to learn a new blocking scheme to run a RPO, or can they basically still run a typical pro set?
Posted on 7/11/17 at 11:55 am to wdhalgren
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If the officials would stop OL from blocking downfield on pass plays, it would slow down this surge toward mobile quarterbacks and RPO. Offensive coaches have found a way to "cheat", by taking away the defense's ability to key on whether the OL is run blocking or pass blocking. Urban Meyer kicked this trend into high gear when he used it to win a couple of championships at Florida with a mediocre quarterback, and it's made the game less interesting, to me at least.
The NFL lineman downfield rule is much better.
Posted on 7/11/17 at 11:55 am to Crowknowsbest
Gotcha.
So that would be his 3rd option...
So that would be his 3rd option...
Posted on 7/11/17 at 11:56 am to RhodeDawg
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Does the offensive line have to learn a new blocking scheme to run a RPO, or can they basically still run a typical pro set?
I think they basically just run block for the hand-off. College rules make it so that they aren't downfield by the time the QB gets the pass off.
Posted on 7/11/17 at 11:58 am to RhodeDawg
If you've got two quarterbacks, you don't have one.
Posted on 7/11/17 at 12:01 pm to deeprig9
Yeah, you need a real leader on the field so I get that too.
I'm just fantasizing thinking about defenses being on their heels for a change instead of loading the fricking box expecting us to run every play.
I'm just fantasizing thinking about defenses being on their heels for a change instead of loading the fricking box expecting us to run every play.
Posted on 7/11/17 at 12:20 pm to Crowknowsbest
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The NFL lineman downfield rule is much better.
I don't watch much NFL anymore, but they did seem to enforce it more consistently in the past. In college, it seems like the officials enforce it sporadically and maybe even selectively. Georgia seems to get rigorous enforcement because our OL generally stay home on pass plays, so it's more noticeable when they drift upfield. But some of the spread teams push the envelope multiple times a game but don't get penalized any more for it.
Posted on 7/11/17 at 12:42 pm to RhodeDawg
We need to be running RPO's now.
Generally speaking, you'd add plays to your playbook for a certain personnel grouping. It could limit what you can do with that package, but asking your offensive line to totally change their blocking scheme for the same play is slightly ridiculous. A lineman's blocking assignment is rarely as simple as it is on paper; it shifts with the defense's alignment and it shifts if the center or QB read a blitz. Defense shifts from right to left late in the cadence? Guess what, your assignment has shifted. Your brain when you're up at the line, especially in a pro-style offense, is constantly working... it's damn near calculus. Throwing another variable in there makes the job even more difficult.
Generally speaking, you'd add plays to your playbook for a certain personnel grouping. It could limit what you can do with that package, but asking your offensive line to totally change their blocking scheme for the same play is slightly ridiculous. A lineman's blocking assignment is rarely as simple as it is on paper; it shifts with the defense's alignment and it shifts if the center or QB read a blitz. Defense shifts from right to left late in the cadence? Guess what, your assignment has shifted. Your brain when you're up at the line, especially in a pro-style offense, is constantly working... it's damn near calculus. Throwing another variable in there makes the job even more difficult.
Posted on 7/11/17 at 12:45 pm to crispyUGA
Great answer. Thank you.
Do you mind if I ask if you fit into one of my 2 categories?
Do you mind if I ask if you fit into one of my 2 categories?
Posted on 7/11/17 at 12:52 pm to RhodeDawg
I signed a scholarship (not for UGA, I was never that good), never played. I was on campus and participating in workouts when I hurt my back and, combined with bad shoulders, a bad knee, and a bad ankle, I decided to hang it up. Transferred to UGA after a year and lettered in partying.
This post was edited on 7/11/17 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 7/11/17 at 12:54 pm to crispyUGA
Works for us.
Posted on 7/11/17 at 12:56 pm to JacketFan77
Wing-T/Flex TO blocking schemes and Pro-Style blocking schemes are very, very different.
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