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Who plays outside WR next year?
Posted on 11/22/16 at 12:05 am
Posted on 11/22/16 at 12:05 am
With Josh Reynolds (46 rec, 834 yds, 9 TD) graduating, we have a huge hole at the #1 position. Who are the outside guys next year?
Speedy Noil - 16/223/2
Damion Ratley - 1/20/0
Kemah Siverand - 1/16/0
Kendrick Rogers - redshirt
Clyde Chriss - redshirt
Quartney Davis - redshirt, knee injury
Speedy Noil - 16/223/2
Damion Ratley - 1/20/0
Kemah Siverand - 1/16/0
Kendrick Rogers - redshirt
Clyde Chriss - redshirt
Quartney Davis - redshirt, knee injury
This post was edited on 11/22/16 at 12:07 am
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Posted on 11/22/16 at 12:13 am to NanosTacoRun
I think they'll reshuffle some. I doubt Noil is back. But obv Kirk is on the field and you probably have to find a way to fit Merrit in too.
They do like all the WRs that are redshirting. I won't be shocked if Rogers starts game one. He was pretty raw but with a year under his belt, I think he will be pretty good.
They also think the world of Hansford (I didn't see it in his brief appearances but that's what they tell me) and he's getting a redshirt (medical) so he has to fit somewhere in the mix.
They do like all the WRs that are redshirting. I won't be shocked if Rogers starts game one. He was pretty raw but with a year under his belt, I think he will be pretty good.
They also think the world of Hansford (I didn't see it in his brief appearances but that's what they tell me) and he's getting a redshirt (medical) so he has to fit somewhere in the mix.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 12:28 am to tmc94
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They do like all the WRs that are redshirting.
The thing that concerns me about this is that other than Gennesy and Eluemunor (who redshirted behind Ogbuehi and Ifedi) and Mccoy (who redshirted behind Matthews), not a single player this staff has chosen to redshirt has become a productive starter later on.
That doesn't rule out Kendrick or Chriss being starter-quality players next year, but usually guys with talent get on the field right away.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 12:38 am to tmc94
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I doubt Noil is back.
This staff loves trotting him out there for some reason, so I'm skeptical they push him out after this year.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 12:49 am to NanosTacoRun
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not a single player this staff has chosen to redshirt has become a productive starter later on.
That's a fan narrative that doesn't hold much weight with me.
when have we ever had the opportunity to redshirt a guy before this year? Honestly, we've never had any sort of depth to be able to do so. It would have been great to redshirt Wilson or Dae Dae or Hardreck but who would we have played?
And this is especially true at WR. We had 4 returning starters and several backups with a lot of experience. It's the perfect opportunity to redshirt guys.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 12:58 am to tmc94
unsure why you think speedy wont be here.
i expect him and quartney davis to be our x and z. im more concerned with who becomes our inside reciever opposite kirk.
i expect him and quartney davis to be our x and z. im more concerned with who becomes our inside reciever opposite kirk.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 1:02 am to tmc94
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We had 4 returning starters and several backups with a lot of experience. It's the perfect opportunity to redshirt guys.
On paper it seems that way, but the guys playing in front of Rogers/Chriss have been terrible this year, other than Reynolds and Tabuyo (who this staff hates to play for some reason). Maybe they're just playing favorites with Speedy and not giving others a fair shot.
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That's a fan narrative that doesn't hold much weight with me.
That's your prerogative, but the track record of this staff says that talented players play, unless there is just no playing time available. Hopefully you're right and these guys are ready to step in right away.
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Posted on 11/22/16 at 1:22 am to NanosTacoRun
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the guys playing in front of Rogers/Chriss have been terrible this year
who are we talking about here? We barely rotate at WR, especially at outside. We play Reynolds, Noil, and Tabuyo pretty exclusively.
Maybe we should play guys like Pope more if anything but if the complaint is that we should use a year of eligibility of a guy who isn't ready (Rogers) or coming off a major injury (Chriss) for Ratley's 10 plays, We have bodies if that's what you want
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That's your prerogative, but the track record of this staff says that talented players play,
the track record says they don't redshirt anyone really.
I'm trying to remember guys that redshirted. Nacho, James White, Kemah (still a fish), Bussey (injury), Martin (started a few games this year and will likely be a starter next), the JUCO OL (both start). Has anyone else even redshirted on offense?
On defense it's what....Pryor and Elam? I'm sure I"m forgetting some but the list is pretty short.
It seems like something someone said and everyone repeats but it doesn't really make sense.
ETA: definitely forgot McCoy who I don't think fits your description well either
This post was edited on 11/22/16 at 1:29 am
Posted on 11/22/16 at 1:45 am to tmc94
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It seems like something someone said and everyone repeats but it doesn't really make sense.
Specifically looking at offensive skill positions, here are the guys that redshirted:
Pope - meh
Nacho - meh
Jeffrey - meh
White - meh
Kyrion Parker - meh, transfer
Sebastian Larue - meh, transfer
Bussey - meh, expected to transfer
Siverand - meh, TBD
Posted on 11/22/16 at 12:22 pm to NanosTacoRun
if you're going to write guys who redshirted off after a season as "meh" this is a wasted conversation. If they were Christian Kirk of course they wouldn't redshirt. But Malcome Kennedy was plenty good....but not til he was a RS-JR. And that's generally how it works.
And ftr, Quiv Gonzalez didn't redshirt. Jaquay WIlliams didn't redshirt. Neither produced and both transferred. And on your list Jeffrey didn't even shirt. Honestly I don't see any correlation at all with redshirting vs being good down the road as you could say all our WRs have underperformed except Josh and Kirk
But this conversation has gotten incredibly bland as you're now moving the goalposts to avoid admitting your original statement was weak
And ftr, Quiv Gonzalez didn't redshirt. Jaquay WIlliams didn't redshirt. Neither produced and both transferred. And on your list Jeffrey didn't even shirt. Honestly I don't see any correlation at all with redshirting vs being good down the road as you could say all our WRs have underperformed except Josh and Kirk
But this conversation has gotten incredibly bland as you're now moving the goalposts to avoid admitting your original statement was weak
Posted on 11/22/16 at 12:46 pm to tmc94
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I doubt Noil is back
Where's he going?
Posted on 11/22/16 at 2:26 pm to tmc94
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And on your list Jeffrey didn't even shirt.
You're right. The 1st Google result for Jeffrey takes you to his 2015 roster page, which shows him as a sophomore. So he's a Jr with no redshirt and can be removed from the list.
That leaves 4 guys who RSed and did nothing, 1 who RSed and has been underwhelming his 3rd yr on campus (Nacho) and 1 who RSed and hasn't shown anything yet but still has time (Kemah).
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But this conversation has gotten incredibly bland as you're now moving the goalposts to avoid admitting your original statement was weak
My original statement was that this staff hasn't redshirted talented players, especially at the skill positions, unless there is no playing time available. You dismiss it as a fan narrative, say I'm moving the goalposts, and yet I don't see much evidence of either.
Again, this doesn't rule out those guys redshirting this year from being productive, I just don't think it fits the profile of this staff.
This post was edited on 11/22/16 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 11/22/16 at 2:45 pm to NanosTacoRun
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That leaves 4 guys who RSed and did nothing,
I'm going to try to help you here.
Pope, White, okay I'm out. Wtf are you talking about?
You've narrowed it down to "off skill positions" because your narrative doesn't make sense anywhere else. And to even have a list you have to include 2 guys that are currently fish, 2 guys that transferred before playing a down (one for medical reasons), and a guy that has started multiple games this year as a SO.
Is it really that tough to simply say there isn't enough data to have a strong opinion here?
Posted on 11/22/16 at 3:26 pm to tmc94
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Pope, White, okay I'm out. Wtf are you talking about?
Pope, Parker, Larue, White
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You've narrowed it down to "off skill positions" because your narrative doesn't make sense anywhere else.
Here are the other guys that have redshirted (to the best of my knowledge)
Gennesy - behind NFL LT, became a solid starter
Eluemunor - behind NFL RT, became a solid starter
McCoy - behind 4 yr starter, became solid starter
Elbert - done, nothing
Koda - can't beat out true freshman
Tank - can't get on field
Aguilar - done, nothing
Ledwick - done, nothing
Gustafson - done?
Stuckey - done, nothing
Manning - done, nothing
Deshawn Washington - done, nothing
Jordan Points - done, nothing
Durham - can't get on field
Brett Wade - done, nothing
Chevis - surprisingly decent in small spurts
V Davis - can't get on field
Ellis - can't get on field
Pryor - future starter
Elam - struggling for playing time, still early
So once you get past the 3 OL and Pryor, who were blocked by entrenched starters, who else has developed post-redshirt?
Posted on 11/22/16 at 3:31 pm to NanosTacoRun
sorry, didn't realize you'd throw a fit. You've listed an assload of guys that are still fish or guys that were injured or kicked off the team. None of that has any relation to your point at all.
Then you've been intellectually dishonest in other descriptions and again included guys that didn't even redshirt
When you are ready to have a rational conversation, I'm here. But I'm not taking any more of this stinky bait
Then you've been intellectually dishonest in other descriptions and again included guys that didn't even redshirt
When you are ready to have a rational conversation, I'm here. But I'm not taking any more of this stinky bait
Posted on 11/22/16 at 3:39 pm to tmc94
You asked for examples, I provided them, then you claim I'm upset and trolling
Is that what passes for conversation around here
Is that what passes for conversation around here
Posted on 11/22/16 at 4:26 pm to NanosTacoRun
- you named 3 guys that didn't redshirt in your examples
- 4 guys are currently RSFR
- multiple players that retired due to injury (some of those injuries were why they redshirted) or were kicked off the team
- you put 4 guys that redshirted at the same position on the list. They can't all start so you've created circular logic that always "proves" your point
- and most importantly, you explained away every single example of success by saying they were behind a solid starter (the exact situation for all the WRs this year)
So yeah, this isn't a conversation. When you start here, you're either trolling/pushing an agenda or fricking dumb and I don't believe the latter
- 4 guys are currently RSFR
- multiple players that retired due to injury (some of those injuries were why they redshirted) or were kicked off the team
- you put 4 guys that redshirted at the same position on the list. They can't all start so you've created circular logic that always "proves" your point
- and most importantly, you explained away every single example of success by saying they were behind a solid starter (the exact situation for all the WRs this year)
So yeah, this isn't a conversation. When you start here, you're either trolling/pushing an agenda or fricking dumb and I don't believe the latter
Posted on 11/22/16 at 5:10 pm to tmc94
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you named 3 guys that didn't redshirt in your examples
Who didn't redshirt?
Posted on 11/22/16 at 5:12 pm to NanosTacoRun
Gustufson, Ellis, Durham
Posted on 11/22/16 at 5:20 pm to tmc94
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and most importantly, you explained away every single example of success by saying they were behind a solid starter (the exact situation for all the WRs this year)
Again, on paper, yes this year's WR position doesn't have much playing time available. But the guys opposite Reynolds are not exactly showing out. So we're left expecting a player that can't outperform Speedy, Ratley, Tabuyo this year turning into a true #1 receiver over an offseason.
It happened with Mike Evans from 2011-2012, so hopefully we strike gold again next year with Rogers or Chriss. Rogers fits the profile best, so he'd probably be our best bet.
Or Quartney makes a full recovery, but I think it's more likely a year away from happening.
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