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Trevor Knight and the read option
Posted on 10/10/16 at 6:19 pm
Posted on 10/10/16 at 6:19 pm
A big takeaway from the last two games in particular is that Knight really needs to improve his reads here. He seems to get into zones where he either exclusively keeps or exclusively hands it off. The reads are so poor at times I'm beginning to wonder if the decision isn't always or often predetermined by himself or the coaches.
For instance, Tennessee COMPLETELY ignored him for the most part in the second half until he broke that long TD. The end crashed hard everytime, yet Knight kept handing it off time after time. Then he breaks the long run (which I'm convinced was predetermined out of the TO because Mazzone saw this and knew it would be an easily first) and Tennessee actually played the QB from there on out. On Tray's long run where it was punched out on the next series he made the right read to hand off. However, in OT he missed an EASY read at the goal line and kept in the face of TWO defenders playing the QB. It would have been a loss if Knight was a lesser man physically.
Watching the game on TV last night for the first time confirmed what I saw at the game: He missed the read A LOT. 11 times I counted he made the wrong read in fact. Again, I suspect this is often predetermined because it happens so often. If this is the case, the coaches simply don't trust him based on practice to make the right read. My issue with this is there were multiple times where the DE crashed, the linebacker attacked the A or B gap and the only timing between Trevor and the endzone was a single high safety. This was especially true in three missed reads where the read was to the weak side and the weak side linebacker was so far inside he wouldn't have had a chance. On one play in the third quarter, Knight hands it off and Tennessee has a safety blitz on AND the end crashes. Trevor could have slow jogged for 40 yards before he would have had to beat the high safety on the opposite hash mark.
The bottom line is Knight is DEADLY when he keeps and it's the right read. He is incredibly strong for such an elusive player, not many guys his size are that good in the open field. He just tosses safeties aside. He has five HUGE runs on correct keeper reads this year. If he actually gets good at it, we would be the best zone read team outside of Louisville. Defenses for some reason don't respect him and largely ignore him even now.
For instance, Tennessee COMPLETELY ignored him for the most part in the second half until he broke that long TD. The end crashed hard everytime, yet Knight kept handing it off time after time. Then he breaks the long run (which I'm convinced was predetermined out of the TO because Mazzone saw this and knew it would be an easily first) and Tennessee actually played the QB from there on out. On Tray's long run where it was punched out on the next series he made the right read to hand off. However, in OT he missed an EASY read at the goal line and kept in the face of TWO defenders playing the QB. It would have been a loss if Knight was a lesser man physically.
Watching the game on TV last night for the first time confirmed what I saw at the game: He missed the read A LOT. 11 times I counted he made the wrong read in fact. Again, I suspect this is often predetermined because it happens so often. If this is the case, the coaches simply don't trust him based on practice to make the right read. My issue with this is there were multiple times where the DE crashed, the linebacker attacked the A or B gap and the only timing between Trevor and the endzone was a single high safety. This was especially true in three missed reads where the read was to the weak side and the weak side linebacker was so far inside he wouldn't have had a chance. On one play in the third quarter, Knight hands it off and Tennessee has a safety blitz on AND the end crashes. Trevor could have slow jogged for 40 yards before he would have had to beat the high safety on the opposite hash mark.
The bottom line is Knight is DEADLY when he keeps and it's the right read. He is incredibly strong for such an elusive player, not many guys his size are that good in the open field. He just tosses safeties aside. He has five HUGE runs on correct keeper reads this year. If he actually gets good at it, we would be the best zone read team outside of Louisville. Defenses for some reason don't respect him and largely ignore him even now.
This post was edited on 10/10/16 at 6:22 pm
Posted on 10/10/16 at 6:24 pm to Roger Klarvin
Thank for you this. I was bugged the whole game he wasn't keeping the ball on the option. The only thing I could conclude was he was instructed to hand it off and just make it look like an option. But that would only be for his own safety I presume.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 6:24 pm to Roger Klarvin
Didn't notice this live, will watch during the replay tonight. Good write up
Posted on 10/10/16 at 6:33 pm to Roger Klarvin
I agree. It speaks to how good of athletes him and Trayveon are that they still turn plays where he makes the wrong read into good gains. If he improves at that we could be even more effective running the ball. When those two have one on one matchups on the perimeter it's going to be a huge play almost every time
This post was edited on 10/10/16 at 6:34 pm
Posted on 10/10/16 at 6:36 pm to Roger Klarvin
Give him time this is a new system and its not instinctual
Posted on 10/10/16 at 6:58 pm to Warrior Poet
Only room for improvement. Coaches may have him being cautious to save his body.
Better go balls to the walls against Bama.
Better go balls to the walls against Bama.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 7:04 pm to Nguyening
They HAVE to let every trick out of the bag against Bama. One play I would love to see is the jet sweep to Kirk with a throwback to Knight.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 7:37 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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It speaks to how good of athletes him and Trayveon are that they still turn plays where he makes the wrong read into good gains.
The key is Knight's fakes. I swear he's a damn magician on some plays and I have no clue where the football is.
He does that and turns plays where he should be caught dead to rights into something productive.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 8:22 pm to Roger Klarvin
Gonna be a hell of a game. This shot is where Aggie Lore is made.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 8:28 pm to Roger Klarvin
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The bottom line is Knight is DEADLY when he keeps and it's the right read.
Is it possible that he's so deadly because he "made the wrong read" repeatedly, Setting up his long TD run by design?
Posted on 10/10/16 at 8:51 pm to Roger Klarvin
Like TMC said in another thread, more than likely Tennessee was doing something different than they had shown on tape and it took him a while to figure it out.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 8:53 pm to TbirdSpur2010
What the frick is summy doingvwith my hat??
Posted on 10/10/16 at 8:57 pm to Roger Klarvin
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That pic
I swear it's too perfect
Good on Old Sarge lending his lid for the photo op, tbh
This post was edited on 10/10/16 at 8:58 pm
Posted on 10/10/16 at 8:58 pm to Dr RC
Isn't his read on this play the movement of the play side DE? DE crashes, he keeps. DE plays contain, he hands off. Or is it more complicated?
Posted on 10/10/16 at 9:16 pm to Howdyagssec
It's a little more complicated. Teams will try to "trick" the QB sometime by crashing the DE and having the play side LB play the QB.
On the goal line read play in OT Tennessee tried to do this but the DE screwed up and both the end and LB ended up playing the keep and Knight still kept. The B gap was uncovered and Williams would have walked in.
On the goal line read play in OT Tennessee tried to do this but the DE screwed up and both the end and LB ended up playing the keep and Knight still kept. The B gap was uncovered and Williams would have walked in.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 9:19 pm to Howdyagssec
Depends. We ran DE and DT reads in HS. Doesn't really matter who it is. Just baiting a player to take himself out of position without a blocker. But yes, most of the time its just that one player. Crash the running back - Keep. Hesitate or hold ground give. I stopped playing QB at a very low level, so I would imagine there are some more complex options as well
A&M also through in the Auburn/Seahawks play that has the normal zone read with a delayed passing read to try and freeze the corner.
A&M also through in the Auburn/Seahawks play that has the normal zone read with a delayed passing read to try and freeze the corner.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 9:25 pm to Howdyagssec
Also, if you think the read is coming sometimes teams will stunt the DT and play side DE. What can end up happening is the QB reads keep but the stunting DT fills the vacated spot after the decision is made and tackles the QB or strings it out. However it's risky because if the QB sniffs it out and hands off the guard/center have a chance to seal the DE stunting inside leaving everything between the play side B gap and the opposite B gap uncovered. There are also 1 and 3 technique reads where the QB tears one of the interior linemen while the line seals the other and either the back or the QB hits the space left by the unblocked DT.
Basically the best case scenario for a defense is to have the QB keep and then string it out or have the play side DE aggressively bust up the play in the backfield. The worst thing is to have everyone crash and the QB be able to make one quick cut to the vacated C gap outside the tackle and go.
Basically the best case scenario for a defense is to have the QB keep and then string it out or have the play side DE aggressively bust up the play in the backfield. The worst thing is to have everyone crash and the QB be able to make one quick cut to the vacated C gap outside the tackle and go.
This post was edited on 10/10/16 at 9:28 pm
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