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re: Sumlin Will be our Coach Next Year
Posted on 10/9/17 at 4:23 pm to Texas Weazel
Posted on 10/9/17 at 4:23 pm to Texas Weazel
Morris being a former student has nothing to do with anything. He's a stud. He identified Deshaun Watson in like 8th grade, and was the first person Watson mentioned after winning the championship. He was a hs coaching legend, a top tier OC at every level, and is turning SMU around from the dumpster fire they were.
He's not choice #1, but I think he's a hell of a floor option.
He's not choice #1, but I think he's a hell of a floor option.
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Posted on 10/9/17 at 4:34 pm to Texas Weazel
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But a program like Nebraska should be glad they can even win 9 games a season. They don't have any consistent recruiting grounds and they aren't a powerhouse anymore. The days of partial enrollees are gone. Nebraska is no better than Iowa when it comes to attracting top talent. Their coaches have to catch flights just meet recruits face to face. Try selling Lincoln, NE to a kid from DeSoto or Katy. It's cold, it's far, and it's in the middle of nowhere. I mean, it's cool if you like cornfields and shite, I guess .
Now I know College Station ain't the nicest place in the world, but location, location, location!!! We are surrounded by elite talent. We should expect more than 8 miserable wins a season. We have the talent to do so.
College football journalists value history and the legacy of programs more than you do or any Aggie wants to.
Until we wake up as a sleeping giant no one will excuse us for lumbering around as one.
File it into the "life isn't fair" folder.
This post was edited on 10/9/17 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 10/9/17 at 4:36 pm to Texas Weazel
exactly. we already have 6 games every year( and usually 7) where we have way more talent than the opposition. 8 win seasons nowadays are over-rated. we play 4 or 5 teams every year that are equal or better in talent and sumlin has an awful record against similarly talented teams.
he has a 23-20 sec record including games played this year.
west
bama 1-5
lsu 0-5
aub 3-2
om 2-3
msst 3-2
arky 6-0
east
mizz 1-2
uf 0-1
scar 4-0
vand 2-0
tenn 1-0
against sec teams with similar talent or better talent, sumlin has a 7-16 record. that sucks. he's 16-4 against sec teams we have more talent than.
his record has also been padded, like everyone else's with 3 rent a wins per year and usually going against inferior talent in our p5 noncon games.
totally agree. 8 wins means jack and shite.
he has a 23-20 sec record including games played this year.
west
bama 1-5
lsu 0-5
aub 3-2
om 2-3
msst 3-2
arky 6-0
east
mizz 1-2
uf 0-1
scar 4-0
vand 2-0
tenn 1-0
against sec teams with similar talent or better talent, sumlin has a 7-16 record. that sucks. he's 16-4 against sec teams we have more talent than.
his record has also been padded, like everyone else's with 3 rent a wins per year and usually going against inferior talent in our p5 noncon games.
totally agree. 8 wins means jack and shite.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 4:40 pm to Nguyening
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He's not choice #1, but I think he's a hell of a floor option.
he'll definitely answer if called. that's why it's a great year to swing for a homerun. worse that we'll get is at least as good as sumlin, and maybe better. this isn't gonna come around every year.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 4:45 pm to cardboardboxer
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College football journalists
Fortunately for us, we aren't recruiting journalists to play football.
Recruits don't give two dicks about Lincoln, NE. Their program may as well be Iowa since you don't see Blue Chip recruits clamoring for a Nebraska offer. History don't mean shite. We are just like LSU was before Nick Saban arrived. We can get the recruits, but have yet to figure out our coaching situation.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 4:47 pm to Texas Weazel
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We are just like LSU was before Nick Saban arrived. We can get the recruits, but have yet to figure out our coaching situation.
upvote. this is why we have to keep trying to find a coach that can get us there. do people really care about the difference between 6, 7 or 8 win seasons? there is no difference. not here, not now. just means underachievement.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 5:22 pm to BadAgg7
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he'll definitely answer if called. that's why it's a great year to swing for a homerun. worse that we'll get is at least as good as sumlin, and maybe better. this isn't gonna come around every year.
Bingo. Swing for the mf'n fence.
Sumlins best talent is contract negotiation, closely followed by interviewing. He's not the receuiter he was sold as, he's not an offensive genius or qb whisper. He's not a bad coach, he just doesn't do anything above average other than chew gum.
I firmly believe he was the 5th best coach in the west before miles and freeze were fired.
He has more support and benefits than any Aggie coach in a quarter century, and I don't think we should ignore that when looking at his average results. I enjoy going above .500, but I'd rather us have a few 3 win seasons a decade if we could win championships as well.
The LSU before saban comparison is spot on. We don't have to get a saban even.
We're Florida or FSU pre 90s. It only takes one great coach and we could easily rewrite our standing in the cfb landscape.
We've got to become motivated for the top, and not just motivated by avoiding embarrassment.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 5:32 pm to Nguyening
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and not just motivated by avoiding embarrassment.
it's not as if rumlin hasn't had enough time to show what he can do.
this is his 10th season as a d1 head coach. the man is what he is. it'll be 6 years in cs. if he can't go 9-3, swing for the mf'n fence.
there probably won't be a better year to do this for a long arse time.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 5:37 pm to Nguyening
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He's not the receuiter he was sold as, he's not an offensive genius or qb whisper. He's not a bad coach, he just doesn't do anything above average other than chew gum.
Said it before... he's an 8-9 win coach in the SEC at Texas A&M. I know we can do much better. I want a coach that puts a lot of stock in playing strong defense. Kelly is not that guy.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 5:42 pm to Tridentds
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know we can do much better.
Much better? Let's be real how many teams actually average 8 to 9 wins in the SEC West
Posted on 10/9/17 at 5:43 pm to Tridentds
some of kelly's teams had great defense when he could get dlinemen. that's not easy to do where oregon is located.
coaches have to gameplan around their own talent too. kelly actually likes to run the ball a lot, can't always do that.
coaches have to gameplan around their own talent too. kelly actually likes to run the ball a lot, can't always do that.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 5:46 pm to Old Sarge
with the exception of a down year? all but arky and now probably ole miss. state is pretty close to 8 wins per year for goodness sake. 8 wins is nothing. may as well be 6 or 7. same thing. 13 game season counting bowl games. 3 rentawins. all ya gotta do is bat .500 against p5 teams and viola! 8 wins.
This post was edited on 10/9/17 at 5:50 pm
Posted on 10/9/17 at 6:44 pm to Old Sarge
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Much better? Let's be real how many teams actually average 8 to 9 wins in the SEC West
This will piss some people off. So it's all good. Conference records since '12:
Alabama 39-4 (91%)
Arkansas 12-30 (29%)
Auburn 21-22 (49%)
LSU 26-16 (62%)
Mississippi State 21-22 (49%)
Ole Miss 19-23 (45%)
Texas A&M 23-20 (53%)
So Sumlin has done better than all but Saban (of course) and Les Miles (who the dumb bastards fired for Yaw Yaw).
Posted on 10/9/17 at 6:57 pm to Old Sarge
To answer your question, average total wins including OOC, bowls, CFP since '12, excluding '17:
Alabama 12.8
Arkansas 5.8
Auburn 7.6
LSU 9
Mississippi State 8
Ole Miss 7.8
Texas A&M 8.8
Again, Sumlin trails only Darth and fired Miles.
Alabama 12.8
Arkansas 5.8
Auburn 7.6
LSU 9
Mississippi State 8
Ole Miss 7.8
Texas A&M 8.8
Again, Sumlin trails only Darth and fired Miles.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 7:10 pm to finestfirst79
These stats heavily skew Auburn because of their 2012 dumpster fire. I'm not saying they aren't valid. But I am saying they don't represent the Auburn we see today.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 7:12 pm to Old Sarge
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Much better? Let's be real how many teams actually average 8 to 9 wins in the SEC West
I meant we can do much better than Sumlin. I don't think 8 or 9 wins is that great of an accomplishment given everything we have to offer including facilities, money, recruiting areas, etc... We routinely play 12 game regular season plus a bowl game... sometimes a crappy bowl. That's 13 games a year.
Is 8 or 9 wins when you play 13 games a year successful at A&M? Maybe you think it is. No problem with you feeling that way. I tend to think it is pretty average results.
Sumlin has had mostly top 15 classes and a few top 10 classes mixed in. We ought to be doing better than 8 or 9 wins a year. Just my opinion.
Posted on 10/9/17 at 7:13 pm to finestfirst79
My thoughts exactly 
This post was edited on 10/9/17 at 7:14 pm
Posted on 10/9/17 at 7:18 pm to AggieDub14
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These stats heavily skew Auburn because of their 2012 dumpster fire. I'm not saying they aren't valid. But I am saying they don't represent the Auburn we see today.
Excluding 2012, Auburn has averaged 8.75 wins/year from '13-'16. Still below A&M. What else do you want me to toss out?
Posted on 10/9/17 at 7:22 pm to finestfirst79
Hey, all I was saying is that a 3-9 season skews things. I like the numbers
Posted on 10/9/17 at 9:33 pm to finestfirst79
Old Man with the KO stats to Lobotomy 
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But I still stand by my prior statements. A&M deserves better than 8 wins per season. Sumlin needs to finish 5-1 for the sake of his job. Florida sucks, LSU sucks, and the Mississippi schools are back at being their usual self. I can understand a loss to Auburn, but it needs to be a competitive ball game. No more blowouts. Time is running out for Sumlin.
! But I still stand by my prior statements. A&M deserves better than 8 wins per season. Sumlin needs to finish 5-1 for the sake of his job. Florida sucks, LSU sucks, and the Mississippi schools are back at being their usual self. I can understand a loss to Auburn, but it needs to be a competitive ball game. No more blowouts. Time is running out for Sumlin.
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