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Posted on 9/5/15 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 9/5/15 at 7:48 pm
I'm convinced. START THE HYPE TRAIN
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Posted on 11/14/15 at 9:07 pm to Iosh
Never mind. APPLY BRAKES
Posted on 11/14/15 at 9:09 pm to Iosh
Posted on 11/14/15 at 9:10 pm to TbirdSpur2010
A healthy Kyle Allen is so much better. It's just not even close.
Posted on 11/14/15 at 9:11 pm to Iosh
Posted on 11/14/15 at 9:54 pm to Iosh
Holy shite this thread
Posted on 11/15/15 at 2:29 pm to Warrior Poet
nah, it's normal. The guy who doesn't play is always amazing.
When Kyle Allen was playing really well, our fanbase thought he was terrible. Now that he's actually played terrible and got benched, he's awesome. But if he starts next week, he'll be terrible again. It all makes complete sense
When Kyle Allen was playing really well, our fanbase thought he was terrible. Now that he's actually played terrible and got benched, he's awesome. But if he starts next week, he'll be terrible again. It all makes complete sense
Posted on 11/15/15 at 3:15 pm to tmc94
yup
Posted on 11/15/15 at 4:11 pm to tmc94
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When Kyle Allen was playing really well, our fanbase thought he was terrible. Now that he's actually played terrible and got benched, he's awesome. But if he starts next week, he'll be terrible again. It all makes complete sense
I figured he was hurt so I never doubted him. If he wasn't hurt and he went off the rails then I want to know why and what the coaches have done to repair it, because as I've said before, I think the way they have handled this blows. That's my perspective from the outside anyway.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 5:00 pm to tmc94
It's good for Kyler that he's getting reps and making these mistakes. I think if Manziel had played his freshman year like Murray has, Manziel's career never would have even existed at A&M. But KA has problems right now....health or otherwise. Need him 100% in a bad way.
This thread is just funny because he respond d to his own thread as the second response doing a complete 180.
This thread is just funny because he respond d to his own thread as the second response doing a complete 180.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 10:19 am to Agforlife
Unfortunately we have a pick your poison situation. Kyle has the cannon arm and is more experienced. When he is on he runs the offense like a maestro. Unfortunately he has either been hurt or has some head issues that make him unreliable and he is not a real running threat which not only makes him not run but it makes the RB's less effective.
Kyler is dynamic and has the wheels and gusto but is showing his inexperience and has real trouble with the deep ball. I don't know how much of it is him and how much is Spav doesn't use him properly. He is at his best clearly when he is given free reign to run when it is available and that wasn't happening Saturday. It makes him more comfortable and puts immense pressure on the defense to have to stop that first which opens up the field. At times I felt like I was watching Johnny in Cleveland last year. Instead we seem to have him just hand off to Carson and throw horizontal passes on 75% of our plays. Maybe that is him but I am doubting it. He hardly ever keeps on a Read Option. Will he get hurt? Maybe, but having him play like he is won't work either. Carson and our other RB's definitely benefit by him being in there though as the defense is more focused on him.
There is no easy answer, we have managed to make a mess out of a QB situation stacked with talent.
Kyler is dynamic and has the wheels and gusto but is showing his inexperience and has real trouble with the deep ball. I don't know how much of it is him and how much is Spav doesn't use him properly. He is at his best clearly when he is given free reign to run when it is available and that wasn't happening Saturday. It makes him more comfortable and puts immense pressure on the defense to have to stop that first which opens up the field. At times I felt like I was watching Johnny in Cleveland last year. Instead we seem to have him just hand off to Carson and throw horizontal passes on 75% of our plays. Maybe that is him but I am doubting it. He hardly ever keeps on a Read Option. Will he get hurt? Maybe, but having him play like he is won't work either. Carson and our other RB's definitely benefit by him being in there though as the defense is more focused on him.
There is no easy answer, we have managed to make a mess out of a QB situation stacked with talent.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 10:31 am to aggressor
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There is no easy answer, we have managed to make a mess out of a QB situation stacked with talent.
The way you write that it implies that there was some way to manage the QBs that wouldn't have us in the middle of a "pick your poison situation." I am not 100% sure there was a better way to handle it.
I mean maybe Kyle shouldn't have played a snap when he got hurt, but otherwise I don't know what the coaches did wrong. Part of the problem is we have a system that pretty much requires elite QB play to succeed, which means grinding through talented QBs like Auburn grinds through coaches on the hopes of finding "the one." I think Kyler has made progress, and Kyle looks good when healthy.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 11:38 am to aggressor
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There is no easy answer, we have managed to make a mess out of a QB situation stacked with talent.
With Spav, there is no correct answer.
Just need to make it thru the season with our dignity intact. Then give it another go with a competent OC.
This post was edited on 11/16/15 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 11/16/15 at 11:48 am to NanosTacoRun
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With Spav, there is no correct answer.
Just need to make it thru the season with our dignity in tact. Then give it another go with a competent OC.
I think this is the most correct.
Kyle in the right offense and healthy looks like an elite QB. However our coaches have tried to put a square peg into a round hole.
Kyler looks like a true freshman with loads of potential. However, its clear to me, regardless of the system or not, he is not ready to be the guy. That isn't some knock on him either. True Freshman QBs are very rarely ever good.
I think both get another look, assuming they're both still here, with a new OC in the spring. If Kyler chooses the baseball route then, to me, he's almost handing the job over to Kyle. The baseball fan in me wants him to play ball at Olsen.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 12:03 pm to cardboardboxer
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There is no easy answer, we have managed to make a mess out of a QB situation stacked with talent.
The way you write that it implies that there was some way to manage the QBs that wouldn't have us in the middle of a "pick your poison situation." I am not 100% sure there was a better way to handle it.
I mean maybe Kyle shouldn't have played a snap when he got hurt, but otherwise I don't know what the coaches did wrong. Part of the problem is we have a system that pretty much requires elite QB play to succeed, which means grinding through talented QBs like Auburn grinds through coaches on the hopes of finding "the one." I think Kyler has made progress, and Kyle looks good when healthy.
There is some validity to that point but in the end it is on the coaches. You have 2 guys that were 5 Stars out of HS and a third who tore it up at JC. Yet somehow we are 10 games in and we are very inconsistent at QB and the position is costing us games, not winning them.
Maybe that means we should have just stayed with Kyle and designed the system better to his strengths, especially taking out the Zone Reads. Maybe that means we should have gone with Kyler and had a simplified system that resembles what we did for JFF in '12. I don't know. What I do know is it isn't a talent issue, it is a coaching issue. Coaches have to make decisions and be responsible for results, especially when they are given an abundance of talent to work with. I don't put all the blame on Spav either, Sumlin deserves his share of it as well for letting the situation occur.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 12:11 pm to NanosTacoRun
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With Spav, there is no correct answer.
I don't think any OC would do well if his true sophomore QB got hurt and was forced to play a true freshman mid season.
Also, as painful as things looked at times w/Kyler on Saturday, I'm fairly certain they weren't exactly running the kind of offense they will for the next two games. They were clearly having Kyler work on his pocket passing and were fairly vanilla w/the game plan. That game was more of a practice scrimmage than anything.
The Vandy D is good no doubt but they had trouble with Houston's Greg Ward who is a somewhat similar type of player. Unless Kyler just refuses to run when the opportunities arise I think he should be able do some damage against the Dores. While the offense scored for shite against Auburn it was bale to move the ball up and down fairly well w/Kyler. They just kept having disastrous turnovers and penalties that killed the drives. If he can get back to not forcing plays and taking what the defense gives him he should have success.
That said, I'd give him a half and if he is playing a piss poor game I'd really consider putting Allen back in there.
This post was edited on 11/16/15 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 11/16/15 at 12:22 pm to Dr RC
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That said, I'd give him a half and if he is playing a piss poor game I'd really consider putting Allen back in there.
This should be the strategy
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:17 pm to Dr RC
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I don't think any OC would do well if his true sophomore QB got hurt and was forced to play a true freshman mid season.
I'd be willing to accept this, if the exact same thing didn't happen last year.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:20 pm to Dr RC
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Also, as painful as things looked at times w/Kyler on Saturday, I'm fairly certain they weren't exactly running the kind of offense they will for the next two games. They were clearly having Kyler work on his pocket passing and were fairly vanilla w/the game plan. That game was more of a practice scrimmage than anything.
Did you miss the Auburn game?
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:27 pm to Dr RC
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Also, as painful as things looked at times w/Kyler on Saturday, I'm fairly certain they weren't exactly running the kind of offense they will for the next two games. They were clearly having Kyler work on his pocket passing and were fairly vanilla w/the game plan. That game was more of a practice scrimmage than anything.
I posted this same thing after the SC game.
Then Auburn happened
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