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Warrior Poet
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Our Offense
Looking at it through a microscope, Mazzone's hiring was the end for Sumlin. Mazzone can only have a successful offense if he has a QB who can run the zone read. The offensive philosophy is one dimensional and lacks any real substance. He's like our version of Greg Davis. He literally cannot change our offensive philosophy to fit the players' skills; we have to force them to be something they're not. We have a decent pocket passer who could probably run a very serviceable air raid offense or pro-style offense in Hubenack, but we can't use him because he doesn't fit into a system that we shouldn't be running in the first place.



Masterag
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The beginning and the end of sumlin was Johnny Manziel. And to a lesser extent Kliff Kingsbury. But I agree, Mazzone sucks.
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FortWorthAg15
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If you look at the most efficient offenses over last 6-7 years or so, they all have 1 of 2 things:

1) A transcendent player at QB

or

2) A system that has been in place for 3+ years with experienced players at every position that were recruited specifically to play in that system (Oregon, Baylor, Wisconsin, Stanford).

The truth is almost nobody out there is rotating between mobile Qbs and pocket passers every year and having a ton of success. You have to pick something, anything and recruit too it, and rep it so that you can execute it with precision. Or you can be Alabama and just recruit 6'3" 245lbs that run 4.4 and give them the ball behind a 5 star offensive line. That also works.


Masterag
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Or you can be Alabama and just recruit 6'3" 245lbs


They're not this when they arrive, only after they've been introduced to Sabans "weight" program.


Mr. Elvert
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Tridentds
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re: Our Offense
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Looking at it through a microscope, Mazzone's hiring was the end for Sumlin. Mazzone can only have a successful offense if he has a QB who can run the zone read. The offensive philosophy is one dimensional and lacks any real substance. He's like our version of Greg Davis. He literally cannot change our offensive philosophy to fit the players' skills; we have to force them to be something they're not. We have a decent pocket passer who could probably run a very serviceable air raid offense or pro-style offense in Hubenack, but we can't use him because he doesn't fit into a system that we shouldn't be running in the first place.



Very good post. I'm sure some will disagree but Mazzone had Kyle Allen who was much more suited to run his offense and had the correct skill set. They totally fricked that up. Can they not recognize who should be taking the snaps on their own roster?

Between Sumlin and Mazzone you just have to shake your head. Rudderless ship.


TbirdSpur2010
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Can they not recognize who should be taking the snaps on their own roster?


Apparently not. Blows my mind.


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Texas Gentleman
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Is offensive.......sorry, was too easy to follow up on the post title.

Very much agree with what has been said, sumlin and his 2 coordinators post KK have never had an identity, or any idea of how to utilize the players they have correctly. The old cliche of you can't fit a round peg in a square hole applies here.

While I think KK did have an offensive identity and knew how to call a game better than either of the two blockheads we've had since, I don't want to jump off the deep end and worship him either. Pretty sure any OC would look good with a heisman winning QB, offensive line that all played in the NFL, 2 NFL receivers (swope got drafted but quit because of concussions), and NFL talent at RB too.


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NanosTacoRun
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Very good post. I'm sure some will disagree but Mazzone had Kyle Allen who was much more suited to run his offense and had the correct skill set. They totally fricked that up. Can they not recognize who should be taking the snaps on their own roster? 

Between Sumlin and Mazzone you just have to shake your head. Rudderless ship.

Kyle Allen left A&M a month before we hired Mazzone


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Ag8556
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I don't think Mazzone has to have zone read for his system to work. We used a lot of zone read with Knight because that played to his strengths. I don't remember us running a lot of zone read while Starkel was in.

I think we are using a lot of zone read now because Sumlin wanted to use Mond instead of Hubenak. I am guessing we continued running zone read with Hubenak because that is what we practiced all week for the game plan with Mond.


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Warrior Poet
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His entire offensive philosophy is the "n-zone," which is a modified zone read in a spread offense.



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AggieDub14
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And to a lesser extent Kliff Kingsbury


2012 success was not due to Kingsbury. It was due to the best Oline in college football along with a Heisman quarterback. We got 10 wins in 2012 due to our talent. We got 2 losses due to our coaching.


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Spirit Of Aggieland
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re: Our Offense
Mazzone has not impressed me, and it started with his first couple of comments to he media when he was hired. Just sounds lazy.

UCLA did not resist when Sumlin came calling for Mazzone. The fans were happy to see him go as well.


AggieDub14
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My friend who went to ASU told me Mazzone is just Spav but older.


Projectpat
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He's still better than Spav, we call more than 3 plays.


SafetySam
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Gettysburg, PA
Member since Oct 2013
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re: Our Offense
No Hubes tomorrow. Nagging, lingering injury dating back to fall camp.


CGSC Lobotomy
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Wow. Loss to ULL here we come.


Slotback
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Member since Jun 2012
406 posts

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Well if that happens, I would expect a coaching change on Sunday.


slacker00
Member since Mar 2011
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So maybe that's why Jake wasn't used at UCLA and why he got a bunch of running plays vs passing plays last week?

Do we burn a shirt if Mond struggles to tomorrow?


SafetySam
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Member since Oct 2013
5219 posts

re: Our Offense
Colton Taylor (walk-on) is the backup tomorrow. Not planning to burn the shirt at this point.


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