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Offseason Thread - Why Was Jackie Ran Off?

Posted on 1/24/15 at 6:03 pm
Posted by cardboardboxer
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Posted on 1/24/15 at 6:03 pm
So many conflicting stories, but apparently he got away from whatever enough to coach at MSU for a while. So to me whatever it was didn't stick and Aggies maybe overreacted. Maybe not!

Why did we run him off? Why didn't we back him like JFF?
Posted by betweenthebara
nowhere
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 1/24/15 at 7:26 pm to
I thinkvthenprogram could have been much better off had he been at a&m a while longer. Just my opinion.
Posted by Old Sarge
Dean of Admissions, LSU
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 1/24/15 at 7:39 pm to
The tu grad head of NCAA enforcement basically said if you Aggies get rid of Jackie, I won't push for the death penalty. Powers that be said, frick it, better not try to call it as a bluff

And Jackie was gone.
Posted by Slotback
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 1/24/15 at 8:40 pm to
Also keep in mind that this was right after the death penalty at SMU. The paranoia about this was real.
Posted by KaiserSoze99
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 1/24/15 at 8:50 pm to
Because, like many tomes before, we let the fricking longhorns manipulate our admin with threats, etc
Posted by finestfirst79
Vicksburg, Mississippi
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 1/24/15 at 8:54 pm to
My favorite Sherrill line: "You can't prove it." Pretty much sums it up for me.
Posted by derSturm37
Texas
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 1/24/15 at 10:14 pm to
You had to be there I guess. Jackie always said he did A&M a great favor by leaving. He was right. I don't know all the inside details-- I was just a kid-- but I do remember that "DEATH PENALTY" was a very real concern and then he left and we were still alive. It's noteworthy that he laid out for a year or two (bought a car dealership iirc) before going to Mississippi State.

He deserves a lot of credit, a lot of praise. Ags may not admit, or even realize, how much we owe him. Maybe ultimately we will. He inherited a hell of a mess (Emory Bellard -> Tom Wilson -> Dumpster Fire) and then did what he had to do to right the ship. Not at all unlike what Bear Bryant had done 30 years earlier.
Posted by finestfirst79
Vicksburg, Mississippi
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 1/25/15 at 12:59 am to
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You had to be there I guess.


He was after my time, and you may have a point here.

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Jackie always said he did A&M a great favor by leaving. He was right.


He did both A&M and himself a big favor by resigning. Nobody would have touched him if A&M had received the death penalty, which in my opinion may have been deserved.

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Ags may not admit, or even realize, how much we owe him.

We owe him a two year bowl ban and probation. Yeah, I enjoyed the hell out of the Cotton Bowls and particularly the Tim Brown thing, but his reign was just another nail in the coffin of the SWC and the rest of the country being convinced (rightfully) that the SWC was a collection of cheaters.

You're off only on calling Emory Bellard's teams a "hell of a mess". Great coach, great gentleman, good teams (#2 in '75 before the Ark. fiasco), no hint of NCAA infractions, stopped me on the way to class more than once to ask me how I was doing and meant it. He and RC were coaches I really looked up to. (Preemptive "I like the hell out of KDS, too")
Posted by derSturm37
Texas
Member since May 2013
1521 posts
Posted on 1/25/15 at 10:31 pm to
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We owe him a two year bowl ban and probation. Yeah, I enjoyed the hell out of the Cotton Bowls and particularly the Tim Brown thing, but his reign was just another nail in the coffin of the SWC and the rest of the country being convinced (rightfully) that the SWC was a collection of cheaters.

I enjoyed those Cotton Bowls, too. First time we'd been there since '68 and we went to three in a row then. If I remember correctly Sherril's first four Aggie records were 5-6, 5-5-1, 6-5, and 10-2. The first "million dollar coach" in history had the sporting world in an uproar; by '86 everyone was like, "Oh. OK. We should hire ourselves a million dollar man, too."

Yeah, he was a cheater. No doubt about it. But shite, man, we hadn't won the SWC in forever. The program was in a funk. Something had to give.

The way I remember it-- and I may be biased-- was something like this: If you won the SWC two years out of three and you were NOT Texas then a whole lot of t-sip journalists and attorneys started calling for an investigation. Rice and TCU had deemphasized football (lol look at TCU now); Tech and Cougar High were never-had-beens; everyone else was scared to death [penalty] to look at the Dallas Morning News on any given morning. The SWC was beautiful in its day. Its days were numbered. Thanks to you-know-who (a big orange machine) the SWC just ate itself.

And then so did the Big 12. And maybe someday the Pac 22.

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You're off only on calling Emory Bellard's teams a "hell of a mess". Great coach, great gentleman, good teams (#2 in '75 before the Ark. fiasco), no hint of NCAA infractions, stopped me on the way to class more than once to ask me how I was doing and meant it. He and RC were coaches I really looked up to. (Preemptive "I like the hell out of KDS, too")

Yeah, my dad was a big fan, too. He had a framed autographed 8x10 on the wall in the den. I remember the day he came home from work and took it down. I was just a little squirt; I didn't know shite, but I knew it was a real sad day for everything under God.

Bellard was a genius. You say he was a helluva guy. I believe you. But I think history states that he never got over the Arkansas fiasco of '75. Maybe he had worked so hard to get to that season that, when it all fell apart, he couldn't muster the strength to pick back up the pieces. He did leave a program that was a shadow of its former self. And God knows that poor old Tom Wilson didn't know how to fix it. (He, too, was probably a nice guy. I can see some similarities between him and Jimmy Carter, perhaps too nice and sweet and honest for the office). Anywho~ Nothing personal against Bellard, let me assure you.
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