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Off Season topic: What was the single biggest event for Aggie Football?

Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:30 am
Posted by sms151t
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:30 am
I am not going to say any of them was the biggest, but in my lifetime I think hiring Jackie was the smartest thing the Aggies have done.
Posted by Projectpat
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:40 am to
In recent memory, I'll go with hiring Fran. It put our program into an unrecoverable tailspin.
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:51 am to
Without a modern natty it's hard to say. A lot of people would say moving to the SEC but that's TBD in my mind. I will agree with you on hiring Sherrill (as the positive moment). Took our program to new heights. Negative is definitely hiring Fran
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34330 posts
Posted on 4/14/16 at 1:25 pm to
quote:

Without a modern natty it's hard to say


Exactly.

The single biggest event was that Arkansas game we lost sometime in the 70s (way predates me) that kept us away from a modernish national title.

Unless of course you think the 1994 team would have won a national title, in which case the biggest event was getting caught cheating and getting that bowl ban.
This post was edited on 4/14/16 at 1:25 pm
Posted by KaiserSoze99
Member since Aug 2011
31669 posts
Posted on 4/14/16 at 1:34 pm to
Cliffnotes:

The NCAA's 1973 rule change limiting scholarships was the single biggest positive event for Aggy Football, and it's not even close.




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Discussion:

If, by "biggest event" you mean most game-changing positive event that helped A&M football, I would say 1973 NCAA scholarship limits.

Most people don't understand how the traditional "blue blood" schools became such. They had the deep pockets to buy up all the talent with scholarships. Probably the worst offender, whose actions had the biggest negative impact on A&M was the fricking longhorns.

I had a professor in grad school who was on a track scholarship for the fricking longhorns back in the late 1960s. (Funny story transpired from that, but it's for another time.) He said it was one of the worst experiences of his life. When he signed with the fricking longhorns, they didn't tell him, and he didn't know, that in the same recruiting class, they signed a bunch of other recruits to run the same events as him. He said that, in his events, he was the 7th fastest signee in his class (there were more than just 7, that just how many were faster). They basically trap-doored him, eventually washing out of the program and ruining his college career, not because they needed him. They just didn't want anyone else to have him, especially any local competition (like A&M).

The Prof went on to explain how the lack of scholarship limits allowed the fricking longhorns to basically buy up all the talent in Texas, and once the less talented had their college careers ruined, they scholarships just sort of...went away.

Every fricking longhorn national championships prior to 2005 was a result of unlimited scholarships. The Professor said fricking longhorn football was really bad about buying and burning Texas talent, but the worst was the baseball program.


Now, the overall record between A&M and the fricking longhorns is The Sacrament of fricking longhorn football pride. You can't go qualifying the overall series because, in this post-scholarship era, anytime we beat the frick out of those insufferable cocksmokes, they always have "76 - 37 - 5" to fall back on. Bring up the flaws in that overall record is like pissing on the Qur'an. Those motherfrickers will scream bloody murder if you show them this. They are likely to get violent, so be cautions when discussion this in front of those assholes.

With the above warning stated, the positive effect on scholarship limits is nearly conclusively proved by an analysis of the overall series record against the fricking longhorns (and all the other SWC programs, for that matter). A&M's football program was seriously damaged by 3 decades of the longhorns' win-buying bullshite.

In 1943, after having played 50 games against the fricking longhorns, we were behind in the overall series 15 - 31 - 4.

3 wins per decade.

From 1939 to 1975 (I used 1975 because that is likely when the full effect of the 1973 limitation manifested itself) we had.....

4

fricking

wins


against the fricking longhorns.

4

32 years --- 4 fricking wins!!!


That's one win per decade from 1943 to 1973.



From 1976 to 2011 (game 83 to game 118), which is what I would consider the "post-unlimited-scholarship" era, the series went from 19 - 58 - 5 to the current 37 - 76 - 5.

HALF OF OUR ALL-TIME WINS against the fricking longhorns occurred in the last 36 meetings.

Over 5 wins per decade or 50% (18-18)



So, pre-scholarship limits we were about .231 against the fricking longhorns. Post-scholarship limits, we are up to .500.

You accountant assholes help me out. That's a 100% increase in winning against the fricking longhorns since scholarship limits, right?

You actuary assholes help too. That is NOT a statistical anomaly, is it? 100% increase is beyond the margin of error, right? (I don't even know what the frick I am talking about, so if you know, please correct my ignorant arse).

Furthermore, A&M began playing a 10-game schedule in 1931. From 1931 to 1974, we had ONE 10-win season. From 1975 to 2015, we have had 10.

43 years -- ONE
40 years -- TEN


Isn't that about a 1000% increase?

I am no expert, but doesn't that surpass the margin of error?





(Cue the ShaggySip Bruised Ego Response:
"Because "aggy was cheating. The only way Aggy could win was by cheating, etc. blah blah blah. Only Aggy cheats to win. Etc. Etc."

frick off, you goddamn ignorant, lying-arse burnt-orange trailer trash. The entire SWC was cheating. The only thing all the cheating did was minimally dampen a small portion of the insurmountable, built-in longhorn advantages. And, Charles Allen Wright, motherfrickers.)


Now, I have to get back to work.



Posted by Masterag
'Round Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
18798 posts
Posted on 4/14/16 at 1:34 pm to
Well the obvious and only correct answer is the move to the SEC.

Failing that, Mine is kind of hand in hand: Firing RC.
Posted by agalloch
Portland, OR
Member since Jun 2015
1647 posts
Posted on 4/14/16 at 2:16 pm to
Single biggest was probably moving to the SEC. We've never won anything worth celebrating, so nothing else comes to mind in terms of positive events. Second in terms of magnitude was hiring Fran. Any other time in history would have been better for that disaster; pairing it with Texas winning a natty and dominating for a decade completely fricked us.
This post was edited on 4/14/16 at 2:17 pm
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46505 posts
Posted on 4/14/16 at 3:29 pm to
It should have been the 2012 season as a whole but we pissed that away, so I'll go with the 1985 win over Texas and subsequent Cotton Bowl win. It was the launching point for a 14 year run of dominance in Texas.
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
58035 posts
Posted on 4/14/16 at 3:48 pm to
quote:

quote:

Not one single person on our staff believed Kyler was going to beat out Allen and Allen was OBVIOUSLY the better QB - Roger Klarvin 4/11/16


"Theough one week, I'm hearing Murray has noticeably outplayed Allen" - Roger Klarvin 8/16/15


this was pretty big IMO
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34330 posts
Posted on 4/14/16 at 3:50 pm to
Ok now you are making me feel bad for him.
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
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Posted on 4/14/16 at 4:43 pm to
Posted by Jobu93
Cypress TX
Member since Sep 2011
19202 posts
Posted on 4/14/16 at 8:54 pm to
Allowing women admission.
Posted by Quidam65
Q Continuum
Member since Jun 2010
19307 posts
Posted on 4/15/16 at 2:36 pm to
quote:

Well the obvious and only correct answer is the move to the SEC.


Agreed.

Competition wise we're still in the same position as in the "big" 12 (not Kansas-Kentucky craptastic but not Alabama-OU good either).

But the money and neighbors are far better. Would you rather deal with Alabama winning everything and drunk LSU fans, or t.u. rigging the rules to suit themselves and Baylor athletes being a real danger to the females in your life?
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 4/15/16 at 8:57 pm to
quote:

KaiserSoze99


I have nothing to add. You covered it all
Posted by KaiserSoze99
Member since Aug 2011
31669 posts
Posted on 4/15/16 at 10:42 pm to


Great minds, etc.

Posted by Slotback
Member since Jun 2012
669 posts
Posted on 4/16/16 at 11:24 am to
Cardboardboxer: The Arkansas game you refer to was in 1975. It was lost that spring when ABC went to Emory Bellard and asked him if A&M would be willing to move the game from early November to after Thanksgiving. Emory said we would do it. His reason was simple: Money. There was only one game on tv more or less in those days and we would be it.

A&M qb Mike Jay was injured in the Texas game the day after Thanksgiving. Never mind the emotional energy spent in beating the Sips. So in Little Rock on a sloppy day the Ags fumbled away a crack at a national championship. I wonder how that game might have turned out had Franklin hit an early FG and we had not fumbled deep in their end. A 10-0 lead might have turned out to be insurmountable.
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