NBA MVP

if there was ever a season for co-mvps its this one. i think harden wins though

Rocketfan is so overly invested in the MVP race this year. Fun to frick with them

My guy is Kawhilights, of course.

It's been an incredible year for MVP candidates. I don't really buy the "should have had more wins" argument. If they didn't make the playoffs, I'd agree.

He led the league in scoring and averaged a triple double, while breaking one of the records most thought unreachable, with a team full of slaw.

Don't get me wrong, If i'm starting a team I'd take Kawhi first out of the 3, and harden put up historic numbers as well, I just think you have to reward him for making history.

I mean he basically roasted the whole league all year long in a revenge tour.

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1. If he wins it breaks precedent of giving it to a winner. They won 47 games. The NBA hasn't given it to someone with such poor of a record since 1982 for Moses Malone (25-15-2-1-1). If voters not longer care about the W column then we may need to retroactively give an MVP to Kobe in 06 and 07.

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I mean Harden had 7 more wins than Russ, but Kawhi had 6 more than Harden. Wins are a team stat. Obviously a "most" valuable player is adding to that number, but you have to take into account where they would be without him as well.

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2. Rus was chasing numbers. He was looking to fill up his stat sheet whether they were up 20 or down 20. There was a reason he lead the league by a wide margin in uncontested rebounds. I don't blame him for this, but I also wouldn't reward him for it either.

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I mean, uncontested rebounds happen for point guards. If you have a post and your point in position for the same uncontested rebound you're going to defer to the guy who needs to bring it up the court anyway. RW and Harden both made the top 20 for defensive rebounds and not for offensive, which would imply both got their fair share of gimmes.

I don't claim to be an expert about these ratings or this Source, but...

PLAYER EFFICIENCY RATING:
1) RW 30.6
3) Kawhi 27.5
5) Harden 27.3

PLUS/MINUS:
1) RW 15.5
2) Harden 10.1
7) Kawhi 7.9

D +/-:
2)RW 4.7
other 2 not in top 20 (Kawhi because of his matchups, harden for obvious reasons)

O +/-:
1) RW 10.9
2-3*) Harden 8.7 (*tied with Isaiah Thomas when rounded to tenths)

VALUE ABOVE REPLACEMENT:
1) RW 12.4
2) Harden 9.0
7) Kawhi 6.2

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I mean Harden had 8 more wins than Russ, but Kawhi had 6 more than Harden. Wins are a team stat. Obviously a "most" valuable player is adding to that number, but you have to take into account where they would be without him as well.

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One minor correction above.

You bring up a good point. Where would they be? Both teams went through huge transformations. Most people considered the Thunder to be better than the Rockets before the season started. Harden took predictions of around ~41 wins and turned it into 55. Westbrook took a projection of ~45 and turned it into 47. Harden also leads Westbrook in win shares this year.

My point in the original statement was that the voters has always put winning as a big factor in the MVP. History shows the large majority of MVPs finish top 3. You have to go back 30+ years to find an instance of ignoring Bird/the Celts dominance in favor of Moses's strong stats.

Do expound, sir.

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Are you upset that SA's ceiling this year is round 2?

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Y'all just handle your business vs. OKC so you can come down here and get this asswhooping.

We can take an asswhipping at SA. We can take 3 of them. We'll just own Toyota and steal one at da boof.

Bird, you're welcome to join me at a game in Toyota if you can find a way not to choke vs Memphis.