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Posted on 2/10/16 at 9:03 am to Mirthomatic
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Posted on 2/10/16 at 9:58 am to Mirthomatic
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This cost A&M Hudson. Hudson met DC and promptly decommitted.
This can't be true.
Hudson decommitted in July of 2014. DC wasnt hired until Jan of 2015.
Maybe he meant Little, who decommitted in July of 2015.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 10:24 am to greenbastard
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Now Dallas BMAs use Texags to spread false rumors and are trying to get San Antonio BMAs to help them (bitch move IMO). You can't make this up folks! The I-45 rivalry is real. Tele-novela in the making.
#TeamHouston
Do we hafta choose?
Can't we just stand off to the side and laugh at both cities like we always do?
Posted on 2/10/16 at 10:26 am to SwaggerCopter
yall need to read what Sean porter said on GBH if you haven't allready. Really puts it in perspective.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 10:29 am to greenbastard
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San Antonio BMAs
That is a thing?
Posted on 2/10/16 at 10:36 am to CavalryAg07
I guess I'm a little confused on what he said that was really aweful.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 11:02 am to CavalryAg07
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Now that signing day is done it is time for as the Aggies Turn 2015. Some of this will be fact, some will be supposition, some will be rumors.
2015 started about as well as can be expected most people thought ASU would whip us pretty good. We dominated the game and were quite simply a more athletic and faster team.
However, there was some dissension in the ranks. By now everyone knows that Spav and Christensen did not get along. They had different ideas on the direction of the offense and despite the fact that technically Spav was DC’s boss DC would often dominate meetings. (according to players)
This in itself may not have been a problem, but players did not like nor did they respect DC they never bought into his style. This cost A&M Hudson. Hudson met DC and promptly decommitted.
The players did like if not necessarily respected Spav. This division would filter into the locker room. It was fairly obvious throughout the year that there was a Kyler vs. Kyle camp. DC wanted Kyler and made it very clear. Spav favored Allen.
The problem for the team is most players respected neither one. Allen was aloof and quiet and kind of awkward (according to players) simply put he didn’t command a room.
Kyler was not liked at all. He had a few core friends on the team, but the rest pretty much couldn’t stand his attitude and the fact that he was just not as good as he thought he was.
It was obvious over the next several games that something was not right with the offense. It was disjointed and had no direction. Most OCs use plays to set up more plays. The play calling lacked any cohesiveness. Before the MSU game Sumlin had a come to Jesus meeting with the staff. Get your crap together or else (according to AD personnel) Not surprisingly the MSU game was our most complete game of the season and showed what this team could have been.
However, Allen was dinged up at the end of the game. Coaches and trainers asked Allen if he could go and he said he was fine. Whether it was out of worry that he would lose his position or whatever he basically lied. Against Bama everyone could see that he was not right. By the time that Spav chose to make a change Kyler was in full pout mode and refused to go in the game and the very well documented cuss out session occurred. Players were furious (According to players). Any support Kyler had at large on the team evaporated that day.
Allen felt the attempt to put in Kyler was a breach of trust and started putting transfer feelers out. Players caught wind of this and the trust they had in Kyle evaporated. By the Ole Miss game players wanted Jake to take over Kyle was visibly hurt but would not admit it. Kyler was in effect suspended. Sumlin made a tactical error here by starting Kyle (My opinion). This is also where the Houston vs. Dallas rivalry reared its ugly head among the big cigars. The Dallas crew wanted to see a return on their “investment” and was pressuring Sumlin in a big way to start Kyler.(Rumor) Sumlin opens the competition and by numerous accounts Jake wins the competition hands down.(Seals-Jones tweet, players) Kyler is named the starter. Players are annoyed.(Players) Dallas BMAs pacified. South Carolina goes okay and maybe a glimmer of hope. However, players see near picks that were dropped. Western Carolina is a poor showing all the way around and Kyler has a crap game and blames it on the OL. (Players)
Auburn. Kyler packs it in.(Transfer imminent) Poor effort, takes a dive and pretends to get hurt.(According a player who saw him running around town after the game.) Sumlin fed up. Reopens QB competition. Kevin Murray goes apepoop.(AD contact)
Again Jake wins according to the players. Sumlin make a tactical error and starts Allen against Vandy(Personal opinion) Murray and poppa go into full meltdown mode (AD personnel). Allen has a good game, but get wind that Spav is gone. (Transfer imminent) Dallas BMAs furious.(AD personnel)
LSU- Kyle gets hurt Jake plays Kyler pouts and sits. Dallas BMAs start circulating rumors and feeding media about Sumlin’s future and the stories about how he has lost the program.(Rumors)
Houston BMA’s counter with feeds of their own countering and trying to make biggest Dallas BMA backer Sharp look bad. (Rumor)
Allen announces transfer. Players mildly surprised and largely apathetic. (Players)
Dallas BMAs lead by papa Murray make threats to cut Sumlin off if Kyler is not announced as starter. (Rumor)
Infamous meeting between Murray’s and Sumlin takes place where papa Murray makes a demand either to be apart of new OC search or be the new OC(AD personnel) Sumlin Basically tells papa to go pound sand. Dallas BMAs ramp up rhetoric.
Kyler takes a day to “think” about things. Teammates pack up his locker and leave it all outside the locker room. (Players and confirmed) Kyler burned to many bridges. Kyler announces transfer. Dallas BMAs go all in on smearing Sumlin. Stories start circulating about alcohol abuse. BMAs on Texags use the Zoo to spread rumors about player discontent.(Totally false by the way the players are very united especially after Kyler transfer.)
Sumlin targets Mazzone as his guy. Dallas Ags want to force Meachum on him and go behind Sumlin’s back to make contact. Sumlin contacts Meachum and lets him know the situation. Dallas BMAs go apepoop and feed the media again.
BMAs in Houston and Dallas apparently get into a pissing match on social media. Dallas BMAs want Sumlin out but can’t get buyout together without Houston or San Antonio BMA help. Neither is ready to make a move.
So unlike t.u. who despite wanting Strong gone banded together and did what was good for the program A&M splinters and completely hamstrings Sumlin’s recruiting efforts.
Two days before signing day the new AD has the media people put up the coaches on the AD website and DC is not on the list. He calls Sumlin and Sumlin has to deal with the fact that the AD released information without letting him talk to DC first.
There are rumors that the AD and Sumlin are not on the same page.(AD personnel)
Gentleman the left hand either doesn’t know what the right hand is doing right now or it is trying to cut it off.
The gilligans are currently out of control. This is why we will never get to where we should be.(Personal opinion)
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Now that signing day is done it is time for as the Aggies Turn 2015. Some of this will be fact, some will be supposition, some will be rumors.
2015 started about as well as can be expected most people thought ASU would whip us pretty good. We dominated the game and were quite simply a more athletic and faster team.
However, there was some dissension in the ranks. By now everyone knows that Spav and Christensen did not get along. They had different ideas on the direction of the offense and despite the fact that technically Spav was DC’s boss DC would often dominate meetings. (according to players)
This in itself may not have been a problem, but players did not like nor did they respect DC they never bought into his style. This cost A&M Hudson. Hudson met DC and promptly decommitted.
The players did like if not necessarily respected Spav. This division would filter into the locker room. It was fairly obvious throughout the year that there was a Kyler vs. Kyle camp. DC wanted Kyler and made it very clear. Spav favored Allen.
The problem for the team is most players respected neither one. Allen was aloof and quiet and kind of awkward (according to players) simply put he didn’t command a room.
Kyler was not liked at all. He had a few core friends on the team, but the rest pretty much couldn’t stand his attitude and the fact that he was just not as good as he thought he was.
It was obvious over the next several games that something was not right with the offense. It was disjointed and had no direction. Most OCs use plays to set up more plays. The play calling lacked any cohesiveness. Before the MSU game Sumlin had a come to Jesus meeting with the staff. Get your crap together or else (according to AD personnel) Not surprisingly the MSU game was our most complete game of the season and showed what this team could have been.
However, Allen was dinged up at the end of the game. Coaches and trainers asked Allen if he could go and he said he was fine. Whether it was out of worry that he would lose his position or whatever he basically lied. Against Bama everyone could see that he was not right. By the time that Spav chose to make a change Kyler was in full pout mode and refused to go in the game and the very well documented cuss out session occurred. Players were furious (According to players). Any support Kyler had at large on the team evaporated that day.
Allen felt the attempt to put in Kyler was a breach of trust and started putting transfer feelers out. Players caught wind of this and the trust they had in Kyle evaporated. By the Ole Miss game players wanted Jake to take over Kyle was visibly hurt but would not admit it. Kyler was in effect suspended. Sumlin made a tactical error here by starting Kyle (My opinion). This is also where the Houston vs. Dallas rivalry reared its ugly head among the big cigars. The Dallas crew wanted to see a return on their “investment” and was pressuring Sumlin in a big way to start Kyler.(Rumor) Sumlin opens the competition and by numerous accounts Jake wins the competition hands down.(Seals-Jones tweet, players) Kyler is named the starter. Players are annoyed.(Players) Dallas BMAs pacified. South Carolina goes okay and maybe a glimmer of hope. However, players see near picks that were dropped. Western Carolina is a poor showing all the way around and Kyler has a crap game and blames it on the OL. (Players)
Auburn. Kyler packs it in.(Transfer imminent) Poor effort, takes a dive and pretends to get hurt.(According a player who saw him running around town after the game.) Sumlin fed up. Reopens QB competition. Kevin Murray goes apepoop.(AD contact)
Again Jake wins according to the players. Sumlin make a tactical error and starts Allen against Vandy(Personal opinion) Murray and poppa go into full meltdown mode (AD personnel). Allen has a good game, but get wind that Spav is gone. (Transfer imminent) Dallas BMAs furious.(AD personnel)
LSU- Kyle gets hurt Jake plays Kyler pouts and sits. Dallas BMAs start circulating rumors and feeding media about Sumlin’s future and the stories about how he has lost the program.(Rumors)
Houston BMA’s counter with feeds of their own countering and trying to make biggest Dallas BMA backer Sharp look bad. (Rumor)
Allen announces transfer. Players mildly surprised and largely apathetic. (Players)
Dallas BMAs lead by papa Murray make threats to cut Sumlin off if Kyler is not announced as starter. (Rumor)
Infamous meeting between Murray’s and Sumlin takes place where papa Murray makes a demand either to be apart of new OC search or be the new OC(AD personnel) Sumlin Basically tells papa to go pound sand. Dallas BMAs ramp up rhetoric.
Kyler takes a day to “think” about things. Teammates pack up his locker and leave it all outside the locker room. (Players and confirmed) Kyler burned to many bridges. Kyler announces transfer. Dallas BMAs go all in on smearing Sumlin. Stories start circulating about alcohol abuse. BMAs on Texags use the Zoo to spread rumors about player discontent.(Totally false by the way the players are very united especially after Kyler transfer.)
Sumlin targets Mazzone as his guy. Dallas Ags want to force Meachum on him and go behind Sumlin’s back to make contact. Sumlin contacts Meachum and lets him know the situation. Dallas BMAs go apepoop and feed the media again.
BMAs in Houston and Dallas apparently get into a pissing match on social media. Dallas BMAs want Sumlin out but can’t get buyout together without Houston or San Antonio BMA help. Neither is ready to make a move.
So unlike t.u. who despite wanting Strong gone banded together and did what was good for the program A&M splinters and completely hamstrings Sumlin’s recruiting efforts.
Two days before signing day the new AD has the media people put up the coaches on the AD website and DC is not on the list. He calls Sumlin and Sumlin has to deal with the fact that the AD released information without letting him talk to DC first.
There are rumors that the AD and Sumlin are not on the same page.(AD personnel)
Gentleman the left hand either doesn’t know what the right hand is doing right now or it is trying to cut it off.
The gilligans are currently out of control. This is why we will never get to where we should be.(Personal opinion)
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Posted on 2/10/16 at 11:21 am to Old Sarge
Dallas ruins everything 
Posted on 2/10/16 at 11:21 am to Iosh
Dallas sux
Posted on 2/10/16 at 11:22 am to Old Sarge
I just can't see the word BMA and not smile. It is the best litmus test out there to learn if someone is an internet Aggie.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 11:23 am to Old Sarge
What a crazy summary haha. Like I said, someone needs to write a tell all
Posted on 2/10/16 at 11:25 am to Farmer1906
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That is a thing?
Yessir
Posted on 2/10/16 at 11:30 am to TbirdSpur2010
The second page heavily implied that Woodward and Sumlin are not on the same page.
Don't know if this is a bad thing with a potential power struggle or a good thing in that Sumlin is not happy with having to answer to someone besides Jim Wilson.
Don't know if this is a bad thing with a potential power struggle or a good thing in that Sumlin is not happy with having to answer to someone besides Jim Wilson.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 11:36 am to Farmer1906
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That is a thing?
All four of them were taking a prolonged siesta while this all went down.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 3:04 pm to Roger Klarvin
Big Peso Ags
Posted on 2/10/16 at 3:07 pm to Old Sarge
This one seems off also, I thought DC knew he was being fired since the same time Spav was, TMC even said he had already sold his house.
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Two days before signing day the new AD has the media people put up the coaches on the AD website and DC is not on the list. He calls Sumlin and Sumlin has to deal with the fact that the AD released information without letting him talk to DC first.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 5:04 pm to Raid05
I think the general understanding among people in the know is that DC had definitely been told but that it hadn't been officially announced and he may not have told his wife yet.
First I have heard that he had already sold his house. Is the housing market in CS that hot, especially at his price point? Seems like it would have taken longer to sell. And do assistant OCs typically buy houses? Why not just rent with that transient of a job?
First I have heard that he had already sold his house. Is the housing market in CS that hot, especially at his price point? Seems like it would have taken longer to sell. And do assistant OCs typically buy houses? Why not just rent with that transient of a job?
This post was edited on 2/10/16 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 2/10/16 at 5:17 pm to Raid05
Most of that post is fairly accurate from what I know. The Woodward/Sumlin tension sounds like supposition. They really haven't worked together long and I've not heard of any tension as of yet (though that certainly doesn't mean there isn't any)
There has been disunity between the AD and football staff because the AD has more leaks than the Titanic. Long before Woodward entered the picture. This is just a continuation on that theme.
I don't believe the plan was to announce DC right now but it was forced by this mistake. They are letting these guys take other positions before announcing. There's no need to push anyone off the cliff til a replacement is lined up anyway.
There has been disunity between the AD and football staff because the AD has more leaks than the Titanic. Long before Woodward entered the picture. This is just a continuation on that theme.
I don't believe the plan was to announce DC right now but it was forced by this mistake. They are letting these guys take other positions before announcing. There's no need to push anyone off the cliff til a replacement is lined up anyway.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 5:17 pm to Old Sarge
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takes a dive and pretends to get hurt.(According a player who saw him running around town after the game.)
I had not heard this but I do know that several players believe he threw the pick vs Bama on purpose. I've really never seen or heard of a player more disliked by his teammates
Posted on 2/10/16 at 5:37 pm to tmc94
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They are letting these guys take other positions before announcing. There's no need to push anyone off the cliff til a replacement is lined up anyway.
Pretty much exactly what happened with Hagen/IU
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