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Is JFF's Heisman destiny in his own hands?
Posted on 11/11/13 at 8:39 am
Posted on 11/11/13 at 8:39 am
If he comes out and goes off on LSU and Mizzou and we get two wins, do you think that'd be enough to propel him to another Heisman, or do we still need Winston to lose?
Personally, I'd like to think closing out the season with wins over LSU and Mizzou would be enough, but with the anti-Manziel bias, I doubt they'd give it to him unless FSU loses.
Personally, I'd like to think closing out the season with wins over LSU and Mizzou would be enough, but with the anti-Manziel bias, I doubt they'd give it to him unless FSU loses.
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Posted on 11/11/13 at 9:14 am to sharkenleo
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I'd like to think closing out the season with wins over LSU and Mizzou would be enough
It's not, Winston needs to slip.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 9:38 am to sharkenleo
No. Winston will have to play poorly and even after that I could see McCarron entering the discussion.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:06 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
Somehow I see mccaron winning this. Should jff win it if we win out? Absolutely. If you put Winston or mccaron on our team we aren't 8-2. Too much johnny hate. I just hope it stays in the sec.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:12 am to betweenthebara
I really don't think it's about "Johnny hate" as this point. Considering all the offseason BS, I was surprised he was even in the conversation for the first few weeks.
He's not far enough ahead of FJW to make up for the two losses, especially when he got it last year.
He's not far enough ahead of FJW to make up for the two losses, especially when he got it last year.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:18 am to sharkenleo
Winston must lose.
Winston will not lose.
Manziel won't win the heisman.
Manziel is still more outstanding.
Winston will not lose.
Manziel won't win the heisman.
Manziel is still more outstanding.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:25 am to sharkenleo
Johnny should win it hands down
But he won't unless he flat out rips up LSU and Mizzou
If Winston was ours we would have 4 maybe 5 losses if not more if Johnny was at FSU they would have 10 to 15 more 1st half touchdowns and still be undefeated
AJ is a great qb look at his stats in that system and compare them to other great qbs that played in that type of system and you will see it plus he still has to make the onfield decisions and he is damn good at that
But he won't unless he flat out rips up LSU and Mizzou
If Winston was ours we would have 4 maybe 5 losses if not more if Johnny was at FSU they would have 10 to 15 more 1st half touchdowns and still be undefeated
AJ is a great qb look at his stats in that system and compare them to other great qbs that played in that type of system and you will see it plus he still has to make the onfield decisions and he is damn good at that
This post was edited on 11/11/13 at 10:31 am
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:37 am to Agforlife
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AJ is a great qb look at his stats in that system and compare them to other great qbs that played in that type of system and you will see it plus he still has to make the onfield decisions and he is damn good at that
Yup. If the Heisman was actually a career award, AJ should get a special Heisman trophy that's bigger than all the other Heisman's previous to it.
But looking at his stats this year....nothing special. Compared to Johnny so far:
-1272 Passing Yards
-12 Passing TDs
-8 INTs
-3.6% Completion
-5.2 QBR
-633 Rushing Yards
-8 Rushing TDs
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:39 am to betweenthebara
Winston will win. I don't see FSU losing. I think Manziel finishes second and McCarron third
If Winston does lose and Bama wins out I could see AJ getting push because people don't seem to like awarding it twice. Also don't forget Winston and AJ will get that big stage on conference championship weekend while Johnny will be at home.
If Winston does lose and Bama wins out I could see AJ getting push because people don't seem to like awarding it twice. Also don't forget Winston and AJ will get that big stage on conference championship weekend while Johnny will be at home.
This post was edited on 11/11/13 at 10:41 am
Posted on 11/11/13 at 11:04 am to Projectpat
True but I was looking at other qbs who played in a pro set style o when comparing AJ and he is as good as any to have played the style
I firmly believe Johnny should win it but think it will go to Winston
I firmly believe Johnny should win it but think it will go to Winston
Posted on 11/11/13 at 11:38 am to sharkenleo
Winston has to lose no matter what.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 12:12 pm to Roger Klarvin
I've changed my mind on this. If we beat MU and LSU and Johnny goes for 400 plus both games then I think his stats keep separating himself from the field. Both games are going to be national tv. Johnny could end up with 4000 passing yards and 40 passing TDs before the bowl. That doesn't even account for his rushing.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 12:38 pm to Farmer1906
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If we beat MU and LSU and Johnny goes for 400 plus both games then I think his stats keep separating himself from the field. Both games are going to be national tv
He'll need several 360 spin highlight plays in there as well.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 3:07 pm to sharkenleo
Winston is in the lead. JFF has had a lot of INTs in the red zone. That's gonna hurt him.
AJ and JFF should both make the trip to NYC.
AJ and JFF should both make the trip to NYC.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 3:29 pm to Jobu93
Zero reason for AJ to go. I'd invite MM, Evans, and that ADU RB before him.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 3:35 pm to Farmer1906
I agree with Rog that FSU has to lose a game for Manziel to have a chance.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 3:38 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
I do too with one exception if he just flat goes off against LSU and puts up huge numbers(I'm talking 600+ passing etc) then FSU dosen't have to loose
Posted on 11/11/13 at 8:29 pm to Farmer1906
Agreed. The numbers don't lie. If the 2 stay on the same trajectory, the discrepency between the 2 will only become larger. JFF is still very much in the hunt. Plus, he's still gonna do something bat-shite-crazy-good before it's all said and done.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 8:13 pm to SafetySam
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Agreed. The numbers don't lie. If the 2 stay on the same trajectory, the discrepency between the 2 will only become larger. JFF is still very much in the hunt. Plus, he's still gonna do something bat-shite-crazy-good before it's all said and done.
Howdy, dammit!
I've decided I've given him too much grief over the ints and I'm an a-hole. You above all others already knew that. I think he's faced incredible pressure to score on every possession simply because who the Hell knows what our defense is going to give up? If he wins the next 2 I can't see how he doesn't win. Winston has had a great year, but against... who? That Miami beatdown is all of a sudden looking a lot less impressive. Gotta win the next two, though.
Posted on 11/12/13 at 8:29 pm to finestfirst79
JFF has closed to within 2 points at heismanpundit.com. Because Johnny's stats are so much better, a loss by Winston will definitely knock him out. Another bad game, such as this last one, should as well.
Like Mariota previously and Klein last year, being undefeated is the only thing allowing them to keep JW in the discussion.
Like Mariota previously and Klein last year, being undefeated is the only thing allowing them to keep JW in the discussion.
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