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I Think Kyler Starts vs USCe
Posted on 10/26/15 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 10/26/15 at 12:28 pm
Here's why:
First, this is assuming that Allen can't go due to injury or that Allen starts and it's readily apparent that he'll be ineffective.
I think that Spavital swallows his pride over having his arse chewed by a freshman and plays him because he gives us the best chance of winning. Even if his throwing isn't as good as Hubenak's, his running ability more than makes up for it. Spav knows that his seat is warm and he'll do anything necessary to save his career, whether that be as OC here or as OC or HC somewhere else.
By the time that Allen was pulled in the O.M. game, I think that the staff had already chalked it up as a loss, so wouldn't give in to Kyler in what was probably going to be a losing effort anyway. Now, with a fresh slate, I think he'll get the keys. If he's successful, he'll get Auburn too if Allen isn't back. If he chokes, they'll have all the reason that they need to tell him to sit down and STFU.
First, this is assuming that Allen can't go due to injury or that Allen starts and it's readily apparent that he'll be ineffective.
I think that Spavital swallows his pride over having his arse chewed by a freshman and plays him because he gives us the best chance of winning. Even if his throwing isn't as good as Hubenak's, his running ability more than makes up for it. Spav knows that his seat is warm and he'll do anything necessary to save his career, whether that be as OC here or as OC or HC somewhere else.
By the time that Allen was pulled in the O.M. game, I think that the staff had already chalked it up as a loss, so wouldn't give in to Kyler in what was probably going to be a losing effort anyway. Now, with a fresh slate, I think he'll get the keys. If he's successful, he'll get Auburn too if Allen isn't back. If he chokes, they'll have all the reason that they need to tell him to sit down and STFU.
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Posted on 10/26/15 at 12:54 pm to Tantal
What should happen?
KA sits until he is well and we have a QB battle between Kyler and Hubenak.
What will happen?
KA starts every game going forward, and plays until the game is out of hand, one way or the other. Kyler? We may never see him again.
Honestly, after what I have heard about Kyler's behavior (justified or not), I would be very surprised if we see him ever take the field again in an Aggie uniform. At this point, I expect him to transfer, which may prove to be his best opportunity. i hope I am wrong as frick, and a crow-eatin' motherfricker, I just don't see Kyler sticking around when other programs will start him from day 1.
If I am right, who, if anybody, gets the blame? Will we be better off?
KA sits until he is well and we have a QB battle between Kyler and Hubenak.
What will happen?
KA starts every game going forward, and plays until the game is out of hand, one way or the other. Kyler? We may never see him again.
Honestly, after what I have heard about Kyler's behavior (justified or not), I would be very surprised if we see him ever take the field again in an Aggie uniform. At this point, I expect him to transfer, which may prove to be his best opportunity. i hope I am wrong as frick, and a crow-eatin' motherfricker, I just don't see Kyler sticking around when other programs will start him from day 1.
If I am right, who, if anybody, gets the blame? Will we be better off?
Posted on 10/26/15 at 1:09 pm to Tantal
I know perception doesn't mean much if the results are there, but man it would look bad if Kyler is starting one week after sitting out for his bitchfest
Posted on 10/26/15 at 1:18 pm to NanosTacoRun
I think he needs to start so he can see that he's not all that, maybe that'll shut him up and force him to do the work to get better.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 1:19 pm to KaiserSoze99
We will not be better off, and if that comes to pass, sumlin and the entire staff won't be able to survive it. Murray will succeed playing college football, and if that happens at another school not a&m while the Ags are still just average, Welp...adios sumlin.
Sumlin has completely shite the bed handling both qb's. Neither appeared to have been handled wisely. Allen, who appears to be weak and fragile mentally, knows since game one he has the heir apparent just waiting in the wings for him to frick up, and Kyler is being used sporadically at best, and saying he's not being put in a position to succeed is an understatement. He's thrown out there once Allen and the team have already shat the bed.
I have no doubt The Murray's have made this situation infinitely more difficult for sumlin, and who knows what was promised in kylers recruitment, but this is about as bad of a qb situation the "whisperer" could imagine, and one of them won't be here come fall.
And to answer the question, I hope Murray takes all the snaps in practice this week and gets the entire game. Will it happen? I have no idea. I do believe Kyle Allen lost his teammates in the game at ole miss.
Sumlin has completely shite the bed handling both qb's. Neither appeared to have been handled wisely. Allen, who appears to be weak and fragile mentally, knows since game one he has the heir apparent just waiting in the wings for him to frick up, and Kyler is being used sporadically at best, and saying he's not being put in a position to succeed is an understatement. He's thrown out there once Allen and the team have already shat the bed.
I have no doubt The Murray's have made this situation infinitely more difficult for sumlin, and who knows what was promised in kylers recruitment, but this is about as bad of a qb situation the "whisperer" could imagine, and one of them won't be here come fall.
And to answer the question, I hope Murray takes all the snaps in practice this week and gets the entire game. Will it happen? I have no idea. I do believe Kyle Allen lost his teammates in the game at ole miss.
This post was edited on 10/26/15 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 10/26/15 at 1:27 pm to NanosTacoRun
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but man it would look bad if Kyler is starting one week after sitting out for his bitchfest
If he actually went and apologized to the coaches, I don't see any problem with it. If he's still remaining defiant and walking around with a "I know better than the coaches" type attitude, well then...
Posted on 10/26/15 at 1:41 pm to NanosTacoRun
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I know perception doesn't mean much if the results are there, but man it would look bad if Kyler is starting one week after sitting out for his bitchfest
Pretty easy to sweep it under the rug with a good win. If Kyler went 20/30 for 300 with 2 TD's and moved the chains a time or two with his legs, it's easy for the staff to say that the whole incident was overblown and that it's water under the bridge. The other aspect is the rest of the team. Do they agree with Kyler? I obviously haven't been to practice, but what if Kyler is head-and-shoulders better than Hubenak in practice and Sumlin/Spav start Jake anyway? It's admittedly a delicate act. On one hand Sumlin can't appear to be weak, but on the other, he can't come across as being petty and putting his own ego over the potential success of the team.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 1:43 pm to Tantal
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I obviously haven't been to practice, but what if Kyler is head-and-shoulders better than Hubenak in practice and Sumlin/Spav start Jake anyway?
The problem with Kyler is that he throws the same kind of lazy HS throw he threw in the Bama game in practice, and gets yelled at for it on the reg. That was par for the course with him. He needed a redshirt year, at least.
This post was edited on 10/26/15 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 10/26/15 at 2:07 pm to Cooter Davenport
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The problem with Kyler is that he throws the same kind of lazy HS throw he threw in the Bama game in practice, and gets yelled at for it on the reg. That was par for the course with him. He needed a redshirt year, at least.
While I'll agree that he would have benefitted from a redshirt, I've seen him play in-person. He has an extremely quick release on slant routes, etc. I think he'll actually do much better when we don't throw him into the fire down 3 TDs and expect miracles. Even if he's only 80% of the passer that Hubenak is, if he's twice the runner that's a wash.
I just want to see what he can do. If he lights it up, good. If he sucks total arse, then he can transfer without me getting too bent out of shape over it.
This post was edited on 10/26/15 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 10/26/15 at 2:12 pm to Tantal
Fair enough. If we brought back the Kenny Hill Offense for him, he'd have a much lower potential for picks and be more effective. In the Kyle Allen Offense, with deep passes, (and the need for deep passes, because the offense is struggling and/or we're behind) he's a massive liability.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 2:18 pm to Cooter Davenport
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He needed a redshirt year, at least.
Yes, he did.
What promises did Sumlin have to make to get Kyler to keep his committment? That is a strong indicator of the stength of a program's recruiting. If the only way to get Kyler is to promise to burn his shirt, the SEC/JFF bump in recruiting is gone and we remain a second-rate program. I just don't understand what else our administration and AD can do to make A&M a national power. We are spending like a motherfricker and the facilities are second to none.
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Posted on 10/26/15 at 2:26 pm to PhilipMarlowe
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Sumlin has completely shite the bed handling both qb's. Neither appeared to have been handled wisely. Allen, who appears to be weak and fragile mentally, knows since game one he has the heir apparent just waiting in the wings for him to frick up, and Kyler is being used sporadically at best, and saying he's not being put in a position to succeed is an understatement. He's thrown out there once Allen and the team have already shat the bed.
Absolutely agree with this. Sure Kyler and his dad probably haven't made life easy for Sumlin on the QB situation but the man is paid 5 million a year to handle problems like this.
Kyler should have redhsirted, no question about it. Could have used a year to get bigger, stronger, and pick the game speed up better. I don't know who's fault that is, lots of speculation he didn't want a shirt, his dad didn't, etc but he should have been redshirted. You've got hubinak to pick up slack and it would create another year of separation between Kyler and Kyle. I think a lot of our issues at quarterback would have been solved by redshirting him from the beginning.
This post was edited on 10/26/15 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 10/26/15 at 2:35 pm to Texas Gentleman
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I don't know who's fault that is, lots of speculation he didn't want a shirt, his dad didn't, etc but he should have been redshirted.
Daddy extracted a promise of playing time as a freshman by threatening to take his sons services to Charlie Strong.
Now, should Sumlin have just said "go ahead"?
Maybe, but thenthere's the negative repercussion of our perception as a program taking a big hit if we lose our own leagcy's son to our biggest recruiting rival.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 2:42 pm to Cooter Davenport
It will probably be an unpopular opinion on here because I realize not only the perception loss of that happening but that we likely lose a recruit or two like daylon Mack with Murray as well.
But I would have said its my way or the highway, you don't let a kid's parent run your program.
But I would have said its my way or the highway, you don't let a kid's parent run your program.
This post was edited on 10/26/15 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 10/26/15 at 2:47 pm to Projectpat
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Posted on 10/26/15 at 3:06 pm to Texas Gentleman
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I think a lot of our issues at quarterback would have been solved by redshirting him from the beginning.
I think you still see a ton of issues with our offense even if Kyler redshirts.
The problems with Spav/Kyle/OL/playcalling don't go away if Kyler isn't in the picture
Posted on 10/26/15 at 3:12 pm to Texas Gentleman
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we likely lose a recruit or two like daylon Mack with Murray as well.
I think we would've as well, and that's what really scared him. But making that deal with the devil ended up hurting him down the road now that it has lead to a fractured locker room. It would've been better to just take our lump up front and preserve our dignity and cohesiveness.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 3:12 pm to Projectpat
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If he actually went and apologized to the coaches, I don't see any problem with it. If he's still remaining defiant and walking around with a "I know better than the coaches" type attitude, well then...
Agree, but it's hard to believe that this actually took place, based on playing time in the Ole Miss game
Posted on 10/26/15 at 3:16 pm to NanosTacoRun
Apologies don't get you out of deserved punishment, they clean your slate after the punishment.
Posted on 10/26/15 at 3:20 pm to PhilipMarlowe
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Sumlin has completely shite the bed handling both qb's. Neither appeared to have been handled wisely.
On the other hand, neither QB has played that well, which doesn't exactly make it easy to pick a permanent QB.
If Kyle was balling from start to finish, then you could get mad at Sumlin for bringing in Kyler... but he hasn't.
If Kyler looked like a competent QB, you could get mad at Sumlin for not playing him more... but he hasn't.
I think everyone has had a part to play in this mess. But ultimately, the buck stops with the $5 million man.
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