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Here's why I honestly think Hubanek starts
Posted on 10/28/15 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 10/28/15 at 12:13 pm
Look at the Dread Pirate Mike Leach's tenure as Spread King of College Football.
Correct me if I am wrong, but the least experienced QBs he fielded were Graham Harrell and our hero, Kliff Kingsbury, who were redshirt sophomores, meaning that by the time they took a starter snap they'd been in the system for two complete years.
For a long string of time in between those two, Leach's plug-and-play record-breakers were seniors.
My point is that the greatest living operator of the spread saw the need to play experienced quarterbacks and favored experience over talent.
Why?
Because the spread requires, above all other things, quick decision-making by the quarterback in order to be successful. You have to get the ball and strike, get the ball and strike. That only comes with experience. That only comes after going through thousands of practice reps scrimmages and drills designed to instill that capacity in you.
Look: Sonny Cumbie lead the nation in passing and total offense and beat Aaron Rodgers in the Holiday Bowl. Sonny. Cumbie.
It's not about talent. It's about being drilled to the point where you automatically, instinctively fire that pigskin out to a receiver, whose job it is to get YAC, the second you get it.
Johnny, who had at least redshirted by the way, was able to get it done on talent because he was a freak once in a lifetime player.
We're out of those.
The closest we get to the experience needed to get the ball out to playmakers in lightning fashion is Hubanek. He practiced in this system when he was at Oklahoma State and he played in it at Blinn. Collegiate-level practice and playing time, not Allen High School where your players are better than your opponents players in every position, every game because you have a student population of 50,000 to pull from.
Kyle Allen may be a great QB for a pro-style offense, but at this point it is fair to say that he isn't a "fire that pigskin" guy. He takes too long to turn loose the ball and he's (and the play calls built to suit him are) always looking for big throws.
I think Sumlin realizes now that there's no shortcut in this offensive system when it comes to QB. You can't play freshmen. We need a guy who can operate. Not a star, not a hero, not perfect, just a guy who can come in and get rid of the ball. Knows the offense, has a quick release, has the guts to just make the short strikes the way he is supposed to most of the time. That's Hubanek. We play him, dump the long sideline throws, rein in the bubble screens, and do a lot more meshes and slants and we'll win 10.
Correct me if I am wrong, but the least experienced QBs he fielded were Graham Harrell and our hero, Kliff Kingsbury, who were redshirt sophomores, meaning that by the time they took a starter snap they'd been in the system for two complete years.
For a long string of time in between those two, Leach's plug-and-play record-breakers were seniors.
My point is that the greatest living operator of the spread saw the need to play experienced quarterbacks and favored experience over talent.
Why?
Because the spread requires, above all other things, quick decision-making by the quarterback in order to be successful. You have to get the ball and strike, get the ball and strike. That only comes with experience. That only comes after going through thousands of practice reps scrimmages and drills designed to instill that capacity in you.
Look: Sonny Cumbie lead the nation in passing and total offense and beat Aaron Rodgers in the Holiday Bowl. Sonny. Cumbie.
It's not about talent. It's about being drilled to the point where you automatically, instinctively fire that pigskin out to a receiver, whose job it is to get YAC, the second you get it.
Johnny, who had at least redshirted by the way, was able to get it done on talent because he was a freak once in a lifetime player.
We're out of those.
The closest we get to the experience needed to get the ball out to playmakers in lightning fashion is Hubanek. He practiced in this system when he was at Oklahoma State and he played in it at Blinn. Collegiate-level practice and playing time, not Allen High School where your players are better than your opponents players in every position, every game because you have a student population of 50,000 to pull from.
Kyle Allen may be a great QB for a pro-style offense, but at this point it is fair to say that he isn't a "fire that pigskin" guy. He takes too long to turn loose the ball and he's (and the play calls built to suit him are) always looking for big throws.
I think Sumlin realizes now that there's no shortcut in this offensive system when it comes to QB. You can't play freshmen. We need a guy who can operate. Not a star, not a hero, not perfect, just a guy who can come in and get rid of the ball. Knows the offense, has a quick release, has the guts to just make the short strikes the way he is supposed to most of the time. That's Hubanek. We play him, dump the long sideline throws, rein in the bubble screens, and do a lot more meshes and slants and we'll win 10.
This post was edited on 10/28/15 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 10/28/15 at 12:21 pm to Cooter Davenport
Some good points but how do we know Kyler isn't a freak like Johnny as well?
I also see jake as a winning option too. He was successful and talented at Blinn, remember who else was successful and talented at Blinn??? Cam freakin Newton
I also see jake as a winning option too. He was successful and talented at Blinn, remember who else was successful and talented at Blinn??? Cam freakin Newton
Posted on 10/28/15 at 12:26 pm to Old Sarge
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Some good points but how do we know Kyler isn't a freak like Johnny as well?
Because we've seen him play and he doesn't have Johnny's accuracy. He also doesn't know what he's doing out there and it's obvious. This goes to my point about freshmen being unsuccessful in this offense. Even Johnny redshirted. Heck Kyler didn't even show up in the spring and skipped out for weeks in the summer to showboat at the ESPYs. This offense is about repetition, not skill. It's about being a robot. Kyler is not even close to that.
Posted on 10/28/15 at 12:30 pm to Old Sarge
Why are we even having an QB competition at this point in the season? I understand in spring/fall or maybe even early season but now? Why don't the coaches plug in who they think they next man up is and we move on?
Posted on 10/28/15 at 12:32 pm to Cooter Davenport
Didn't case keenum run this offense effectively for like 6 years?
Posted on 10/28/15 at 12:34 pm to slacker00
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Why are we even having an QB competition at this point in the season? I understand in spring/fall or maybe even early season but now? Why don't the coaches plug in who they think they next man up is and we move on?
They feel the need for a smokescreen to distance themselves from direct personal responsibility. This way they can point to an "objective" "process" that decided for them.
Posted on 10/28/15 at 12:36 pm to Gritshack
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Didn't case keenum run this offense effectively for like 6 years?
He is the closest it comes to an exception, but he did redshirt and didn't start until midway though the next year.
Posted on 10/28/15 at 12:36 pm to slacker00
I guess it tells you that they think Jake is better but if they just put him out there Kyler might actually seek a transfer?
Or because Kevin Sumlin's recruiting mantra has always been that every spot is open to the best player.
I don't know really. But if Kyler goes out there and tears sc a new one the vibe around this place will change instantly
Or because Kevin Sumlin's recruiting mantra has always been that every spot is open to the best player.
I don't know really. But if Kyler goes out there and tears sc a new one the vibe around this place will change instantly
Posted on 10/28/15 at 12:36 pm to slacker00
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Why are we even having an QB competition at this point in the season? I understand in spring/fall or maybe even early season but now? Why don't the coaches plug in who they think they next man up is and we move on?
Because whoever doesn't get picked probably transfers. In a way we aren't picking the starter for the rest of the season, we are picking a starter for the next season or two.
Posted on 10/28/15 at 12:37 pm to Cooter Davenport
The last thing sumlin wants is for Jake to win the job this week.
Posted on 10/28/15 at 12:38 pm to slacker00
Perception. And ego management
Posted on 10/28/15 at 12:38 pm to PhilipMarlowe
If Jake takes us to 10-3 I don't think Sumlin will mind
Posted on 10/28/15 at 12:42 pm to PhilipMarlowe
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The last thing sumlin wants is for Jake to win the job this week.
The last thing Sumlin wants is to lose to SCAR. Trot a midget QB who doesn't know your offense out there against what is downtrodden but still SEC talent and you take that risk.
Posted on 10/28/15 at 12:42 pm to cardboardboxer
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Because whoever doesn't get picked probably transfers. In a way we aren't picking the starter for the rest of the season, we are picking a starter for the next season or two.
Right, but less than a week of practice is nothing compared to the body of work already behind them. I just feel that it is a show. They either already know who they are going to pick and are trying to save face OR they don't know and are going to base the rest of this year and as you said next season on 3 days of practice....
Posted on 10/28/15 at 12:43 pm to AgBQ00
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Perception. And ego management
This is the only thing that makes sense to me.
Posted on 10/28/15 at 12:44 pm to slacker00
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Right, but less than a week of practice is nothing compared to the body of work already behind them. I just feel that it is a show.
It is.
Posted on 10/28/15 at 12:45 pm to Cooter Davenport
The hate for Murray on here is funny.
Posted on 10/28/15 at 12:47 pm to Gritshack
Wow! You guys waving the Hube-snack pom poms are something else. We are talking 3 state titles vs Blinn College? Sure Murray hasn't done well but when has he had a chance to show his stuff?
Posted on 10/28/15 at 12:48 pm to PhilipMarlowe
I don't hate Murray and if I were to bet I think he starts Saturday, but Sumlin isn't going to name a starter based on who he fears will transfer. He knows we need to win this year and he will have to answer if we continue to sputter. I don't think he's that dumb
Posted on 10/28/15 at 12:50 pm to JVasquez
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We are talking 3 state titles
Doesn't mean anything. The list of college QBs who've won a natty but amounted to nothing in the NFL is a mile long for the same reason that Kyler's titles at beyond-loaded Allen don't translate to success in college.
This post was edited on 10/28/15 at 12:52 pm
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