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re: Chip Kelly to A&M? Would we even want this guy?
Posted on 1/5/17 at 3:08 pm to AgSwag1
Posted on 1/5/17 at 3:08 pm to AgSwag1
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Nice discussion skills you got there. Try that line on your wife and see how it goes.
Oh frick off, you twat.
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If I don't agree with you, it's not necessarily bullshite.
Not necessarily, but in this case it is indeed bullshite.
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Gundy is unproven in many areas and recruiting is one of them.
No, he's not. Gundy has managed to recruit the talent necessary to finish with 10 wins or more all but 2 years since 2010 including 5 bowl wins in that timespan, DESPITE massive institutional disadvantages inherent to Oklahoma State. Imagine what he could do with the massive institutional ADVANTAGES of A&M.
A&M really doesn't finish outside the top 15 in recruiting aside from years when our coaches totally screw the pooch or are clearly on their way out anyway, so that's sort of a moot point.
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What makes you think that recruiting against Saban, Orgeron, Freeze, Muschamp, etc will be any easier than against Stoops??
See above. At A&M wouldn't be recruiting Texas from a position of a massive inherent disadvantage to any of those coaches, aside from Saban, who NO ONE can match.
You don't seem to grasp the fundemental disparity between OSU and OU, or for that matter, OSU and A&M. Gundy has done what he has done with one hand tied behind his back. He's equalled A&M's best historical runs at a school without A&M's advantages.
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Petersen, Venables, Franklin, Kelly yes.
Petesen is AT his dream school.
Venables does not want to be a HC. He's had his opportunites and passed. If he does it now, he's doing it because it's the logical next step, or he's bored, or pushed into it. We don't want that. We want a guy hungry for it.
Franklin is at Penn State. Penn State is a step above A&M historically. He's also from Penn. If he leaves, it's for the NFL, not to take a step down to A&M.
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Gundy does not do that for me. That is not bullshite
That's total bullshite. Based on your list of candidates, you haven't done your research. 2 of the guys you list are not leaving where they are for another college job, and certainly not for A&M, and the other is a lifelong assistant who has avoided HC jobs. Among ***realistic**** options, Gundy, who hates Boone Pickens, is very high up the list.
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Posted on 1/5/17 at 4:53 pm to Cooter Davenport
Prior to Gundy, Oklahoma State had last won an outright conference title in 1948 as a member of MISSOURI VALLEY CONFERENCE, a season they went 6-4 and 2-0 in conference...
Their last shared title was in the big 8, in 1976 (a 3 way tie)...
In Barry Sanders Heisman season they finished 3rd in the big 8, aka the big 12 north and oklahoma.
Oklahoma State sucks.
Their last shared title was in the big 8, in 1976 (a 3 way tie)...
In Barry Sanders Heisman season they finished 3rd in the big 8, aka the big 12 north and oklahoma.
Oklahoma State sucks.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 4:57 pm to Nguyening
I don't see a Gundy coached team being successful in the SECW.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 11:11 pm to 85AustinAg
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I don't see a Gundy coached team being successful in the SECW.
Noted.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 11:56 pm to 85AustinAg
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I don't see a Gundy coached team being successful in the SECW.
well as long as he's not like les and isn't inflexible, I don't see why there should be any problem.
Posted on 1/6/17 at 12:00 am to 85AustinAg
Pretty much any offense-happy team from the Big12 won't cut it in the SEC. They may get a win here and there but Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Baylor, and TCU would do no better than what we have done.
We need to focus primarily on defense and work on establishing an effective (not necessarily explosive) offense to get us through the SEC West. I like what we've done with the run game under Mazonne, but I still feel as if we need to become a more physical team in order to establish the run game. Alabama/LSU are too fast for the read option to work every time.
Also, why haven't we fired Moorehead?
We need to focus primarily on defense and work on establishing an effective (not necessarily explosive) offense to get us through the SEC West. I like what we've done with the run game under Mazonne, but I still feel as if we need to become a more physical team in order to establish the run game. Alabama/LSU are too fast for the read option to work every time.
Also, why haven't we fired Moorehead?
Posted on 1/6/17 at 8:46 am to Texas Weazel
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Pretty much any offense-happy team from the Big12 won't cut it in the SEC. They may get a win here and there but Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Baylor, and TCU would do no better than what we have done.
No one is suggesting Gundy bring his cowboys roster and try to win the SECW.
Who has challenged Saban since he got to Alabama?
Meyer, Miles, Freeze, and Sumlin once. (All technically offensive head coaches, even miles)
Hell even Alabama ran some HUNH with spread tendencies for a year.
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We need to focus primarily on defense and work on establishing an effective (not necessarily explosive) offense to get us through the SEC West. I like what we've done with the run game under Mazonne, but I still feel as if we need to become a more physical team in order to establish the run game.
You mean like Arkansas?
There's more than one way to skin a cat. Every year teams across the country fire their coach and go in a complete opposite direction, bc hey that didn't work.
Posted on 1/6/17 at 9:24 am to Nguyening
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No one is suggesting Gundy bring his cowboys roster and try to win the SECW.
No. But you would bring their 'offense first, defense be damned' philosophy.
You can't win without a defense in this league.
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Who has challenged Saban since he got to Alabama?
We certainly haven't, and Gundy is just a white version of Sumlin, give or take some minor playbook differences. He would do just as bad as Sumlin has here.
Big 12 strategies won't work here full time.
Posted on 1/6/17 at 10:01 am to Cooter Davenport
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Oh frick off, you twat.
Melt bitch.
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No, he's not. Gundy has managed to recruit the talent necessary to finish with 10 wins or more all but 2 years since 2010 including 5 bowl wins in that timespan,
Don't put much stock into Big 12 records for our needs. SEC is whole different animal. Gundy coaches in the weakest conference in CFB. His success, while impressive, does not necessarily translate to the SECw and could be heavily attributable to the fact that the Big 12 has been historically weak for the last 10 years. Gundy has a 25% winning percentage at Bedlam and is Oklahoma's bitch. We would be taking a helluva chance to hire Gundy.
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Petesen is AT his dream school.
Maybe. But our AD hired him for that job at UW and I could see him hiring him here as well. But you make him say no before you hire someone like Gundy.
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Venables does not want to be a HC. He's had his opportunites and passed. If he does it now, he's doing it because it's the logical next step, or he's bored, or pushed into it. We don't want that. We want a guy hungry for it.
I could care less why Venables would take the job, just that he takes it. Again, you make him say no before you hire a guy like Gundy.
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Franklin is at Penn State. Penn State is a step above A&M historically. He's also from Penn. If he leaves, it's for the NFL, not to take a step down to A&M.
Clearly one of the top 10 coaches in the country. I admit this one could be a tough hire as his buyout would likely be huge after this year. I do not necessarily agree that A & M would be a step down. The academic restrictions, climate and other considerations ($$$$$) could make an SEC spot in the best state for high school football recruiting very attractive to Franklin. Again, you make him say no before you hire a guy like Gundy. I think your research is suspect, not mine. We need to hire one of the top 10 coaches in college football to realistically be a contender in the SEC West. Gundy is clearly not an elite coach, is not top 10 caliber and would be a poor choice, IMO. You may not agree but you would be wrong.
Posted on 1/6/17 at 10:46 am to AgSwag1
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Don't put much stock into Big 12 records for our needs. SEC is whole different animal. Gundy coaches in the weakest conference in CFB. His success, while impressive, does not necessarily translate to the SECw and could be heavily attributable to the fact that the Big 12 has been historically weak for the last 10 years.
The same big 12 KSU is from? The SEC is 6-6 in bowls right now, including Bama's first win. The big 12 finished 4-2, including 2-1 vs SEC. The gap may not be quite as large as it has been... BTW OU was the only big 12 favored in their bowl.
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Gundy has a 25% winning percentage at Bedlam and is Oklahoma's bitch. We would be taking a helluva chance to hire Gundy.
OU vs A&M series
During the stoops era, we are 3-11 against OU, good for 21%. If you subtract the JFF cotton bowl, his AVERAGE margin of victory is 3 td's, and we win 15%...
Compare Les Miles at OKST and Mike Gundy
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I could care less why Venables would take the job, just that he takes it. Again, you make him say no before you hire a guy like Gundy.
Venables is a guy you make tell you know? His resume is solid, but he has coached at OU and Clemson which are both top two in talent in their conference. They've also both been very good offensive teams his entire tenure at each. If you isolate for pure coaching factor, is he really that much of a sure thing?
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Clearly one of the top 10 coaches in the country. I admit this one could be a tough hire as his buyout would likely be huge after this year. I do not necessarily agree that A & M would be a step down. The academic restrictions, climate and other considerations ($$$$$) could make an SEC spot in the best state for high school football recruiting very attractive to Franklin. Again, you make him say no before you hire a guy like Gundy. I think your research is suspect, not mine. We need to hire one of the top 10 coaches in college football to realistically be a contender in the SEC West. Gundy is clearly not an elite coach, is not top 10 caliber and would be a poor choice, IMO. You may not agree but you would be wrong.
Wasn't it rumored last winter that we reached out to Petersen and Franklin?
How often do top 10 coaches move?
Who would you have in your top 10 if Gundy doesn't make it? Are you isolating for coach factor, with respect to program historical success, average talent vs opponents, etc?
This post was edited on 1/6/17 at 10:47 am
Posted on 1/6/17 at 11:09 am to Nguyening
I mean Venables has never been a HC before. Putting a career coordinator at the top of your list is just dumb for a program of our stature
Posted on 1/6/17 at 11:19 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
So to sum up: unless you hire Nick Saban, Urban Meyer, Chris Peterson, Davi Swinney, or Bob Stoops, you are taking a risk. Even texas had to do it with their hire of Herman, there is no guarantee he's gonna win championships for them.
How you can say Gundy isn't one of the better choices of The bot tier one coaches is beyond me. Another poster already outlined how he's going to finished ranked in the top 25 for the 7th time in 9 seasons and do it with the second rate recruits he's gets at Ok state. Is he a sure thing? No. But you sure as hell don't have an carrer coordinator who's never been a head coach higher on your hiring list than him. Especially with the rumors of him and T Boone Pickens not seeing eye to eye.
How you can say Gundy isn't one of the better choices of The bot tier one coaches is beyond me. Another poster already outlined how he's going to finished ranked in the top 25 for the 7th time in 9 seasons and do it with the second rate recruits he's gets at Ok state. Is he a sure thing? No. But you sure as hell don't have an carrer coordinator who's never been a head coach higher on your hiring list than him. Especially with the rumors of him and T Boone Pickens not seeing eye to eye.
Posted on 1/6/17 at 11:21 am to Texas Gentleman
Also to add, yes the Big 12 is a crappy conference but let's not act like the SEC is miles ahead of them anymore. Nobody in this league finished better than 8-4 outside of Alabama this year. And again as someone stated, big 12 is 2-1 against the sec in bowls.
Posted on 1/6/17 at 11:42 am to Texas Gentleman
I think we can all also agree that hiring a coordinator like Venables is taking a much larger risk than someone like Gundy or Kelly
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Posted on 1/6/17 at 12:08 pm to Texas Gentleman
Well their conference champ did play the 4th or 5th best team from the SEC and The Wizard v Sumlin was hardly a fair fight 
Posted on 1/6/17 at 12:55 pm to TxWadingFool
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Well their conference champ did play the 4th or 5th best team from the SEC and The Wizard v Sumlin was hardly a fair fight
Auburn had the 3rd best SEC record and was "14th" in the country. A game back from florida for 2nd.
Thank God Florida got Iowa in their bowl game.
Posted on 1/6/17 at 1:53 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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I think we can all also agree that hiring a coordinator like Venables is taking a much larger risk than someone like Gundy or Kelly
Lets just agree there is no sure thing outside of Saban, Meyer, Fisher and Dabo. I would like to see us go toward more of a defensive coach and Venables is one of the best in the country. He also has great Texas recruiting connections from his time at Oklahoma. The 2016 Broyles award winner is not as big a risk as you think, I think far less risk than the Mullet. Venables would kill it here.
Posted on 1/7/17 at 10:34 am to AgSwag1
Board thoughts on Dan Mullen? Knows the SECW, south and southeast recruiting. Better resources, university and fan backing... Could he step our program up a notch or two?
Posted on 1/7/17 at 11:59 am to AgSwag1
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Lets just agree there is no sure thing outside of Saban, Meyer, Fisher and Dabo
Dabo? He hasn't even won a national championship.
He's in an easy conference and should have lost twice this year. He's far from a sure thing. Plus he just seems like a smug dumb good ole baw to me. I'd take jimbo over him
Posted on 1/7/17 at 12:04 pm to 85AustinAg
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Board thoughts on Dan Mullen? Knows the SECW, south and southeast recruiting.
I don't know how wise it is to bring a coach from the same division, let alone conference. I don't think he's a bad coach, but I don't think he's a special coach either.
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