re: A&M will be fine with Sumlin

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Are you really going to pretend that UCLA w/Rosen is the same as UCLA w/o?

C'mon son!

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They wouldn't be 4-8 with Rosen, but they were only 3-3 with him, and probably 6-6 if he plays all year. Not a good team at all.

He got knocked out of the ASU game twice, once in the first half and then in the 4th. All of their losses w/him hurt other than USC were very close games they could have easily won w/better QB play. Fafaul is really that bad. I think they are absolutely 8-9 win team with him healthy.

That really wasn't an embarrassing team to go to OT with and it's dumb that y'all are trying to use it as a strike against Sumlin.

I'm not even trying to defend him so much as I don't thin you guys need to exaggerate to shite on him.

Hell, it was the great and mighty Chief's defense that has consistently let the team down and everyone hailed that as a great difference making hire.

Again, this isn't really a defense of him but it's a bit silly to blame him for the side of the ball that a supposed top 5 DC is obviously failing with. It's not like we have no talent. It's not like the offense is constantly screwing over the defense. The D (aside from chunks of Arky and most of USCe) is consistently out of position, can't tackle worth a damn, and seems to have a ton of trouble just getting lined up. Did Chavis get lazy? Are his schemes too predictable? Or does it even matter who is DC when we are stuck in a state where HS coaches treat defense like busy work they have to do while they wait to get back on offense?

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Again, this isn't really a defense of him but it's a bit silly to blame him for the side of the ball that a supposed top 5 DC is obviously failing with. It's not like we have no talent. It's not like the offense is constantly screwing over the defense. The D (aside from chunks of Arky and most of USCe) is consistently out of position, can't tackle worth a damn, and seems to have a ton of trouble just getting lined up. Did Chavis get lazy? Are his schemes too predictable? Or does it even matter who is DC when we are stuck in a state where HS coaches treat defense like busy work they have to do while they wait to get back on offense?

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He is responsible for the entire team as the HC. How many DCs does he get to hire before we say it isn't working?

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Yes. Their backup is truly awful. I have been bagging on Hubes for being mediocre but he's Swag Kelly compared to Fafaul

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We just let a fricking backup from Purdue throw for like 350 on us. You could probably not attempt a pass on us at this point and still score 30 points.

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He is responsible for the entire team as the HC. How many DCs does he get to hire before we say it isn't working?

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Ending up with Snyder is on the BMAs getting cheap on him when he was hired. His first choice was Pat Narduzzi and we didn't get him b/c of they balked at spending enough to pry him from MSU.

Even then, we knew our D would be trash for the first several years. It was awful under Sherman and was supposed to be a longterm rebuild.

The D was even fairly decent in 2012 but of course that was more than likely b/c of the lack of major injuries. I'm sure that was one of the main reasons Sumlin was reluctant to fire him in the first place. (that and the massive turnover from all the coaches that were getting hired away due to our surprise early success.)

So then we hire the great John Chavis. The beast of a DC that was supposed to magically fix all woes. EVERYONE loved it. But it turns out the LSU fans who had grown weary of him may have been right about him getting a bit lazy and overly predictable. He's had his moments but I think it would be fair to say Chief has been a bust overall.


Again, this isn't even really a defense of Sumlin. It's just that there are certain things beyond a HC's control that he isn't going to be able to wave a wand over no matter how much it makes people mad that certain things still aren't going the way everyone wants.

We beat UTSA by 13 points

okay. Outside of Kansas and Rutgers there isn't a a P5 team we would beat easily right now, which was the original point. When you can't stop the run you are vulnerable to lose to some very bad teams as we did earlier in the year

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So then we hire the great John Chavis. The beast of a DC that was supposed to magically fix all woes. EVERYONE loved it. But it turns out the LSU fans who had grown weary of him may have been right about him getting a bit lazy and overly predictable. He's had his moments but I think it would be fair to say Chief has been a bust overall.

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Is it the fact that he stopped being a good coach when he put on maroon? Or was he never a good coach who lucked out for a decade plus being a part of programs with amazing local defensive talent and awesome position coaches that Chief didn't hire?

Funny thing is we didn't have a better option. That off-season we wanted Boom but we all know he would have left in a year. I wanted Shoop but he has sucked at Tennessee. I don't know if there was a guy we could have hired that off-season that would have turned anything around.

I am not making excuses for Chief but you look at the top defenses in football and Texas teams just aren't very high on that list. We almost need to find a way to win without a defense which seems impossible in the SEC.

Makes you wish we would have built a decent but not amazing 95k stadium and dumped the rest into the basketball program where it can do some good. It feels so hopeless, like there is no fix.

Was always Bud Foster fan when we were looking for a DC. Wasn't upset at getting Chavis though.

From what I heard/remember, Foster wanted to come to A&M and looking back, we were just a nice landing spot for Chavis looking to get out of a bad situation as LSU. Hindsight...