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re: 16 for '16: Impact transfers
Posted on 5/25/16 at 12:29 am to NanosTacoRun
Posted on 5/25/16 at 12:29 am to NanosTacoRun
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And our last 2 classes have ranked 11 and 19.
In the big 12 this is fine and will get you 8,9,10 wins but in the SEC it means absolutely nothing. The 19th class was definitely bottom half for our league and 11 was probably 6ish if not worse.
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Posted on 5/25/16 at 12:32 am to Roger Klarvin
If it's a personal thing with Sumlin you can't get past, then it is what it is.
But beyond that, I think success is just as likely from this staff building off a theoretically successful 2016 as it is from hiring an unknown like Chad Morris and him bringing in a new new set of assistants (which will likely be a downgrade from what's on campus know) and trying a complete rebuild in the middle of a stacked SECW
But beyond that, I think success is just as likely from this staff building off a theoretically successful 2016 as it is from hiring an unknown like Chad Morris and him bringing in a new new set of assistants (which will likely be a downgrade from what's on campus know) and trying a complete rebuild in the middle of a stacked SECW
This post was edited on 5/25/16 at 12:33 am
Posted on 5/25/16 at 10:18 am to swaggyp
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In the big 12 this is fine and will get you 8,9,10 wins but in the SEC it means absolutely nothing. The 19th class was definitely bottom half for our league and 11 was probably 6ish if not worse.
If we're going to fire every coach that doesn't bring in all top 10 classes, we need to work on our buyout approach because we're going to go through a ton of coaches.
Agree that recruiting needs to get better, but it's not at some level where it's impossible for us to win.
Posted on 5/25/16 at 11:58 am to NanosTacoRun
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we need to work on our buyout approach
We probably should do that anyway.
Posted on 5/25/16 at 2:45 pm to swaggyp
Re: A&M's recruiting... We're one of just 12 teams across the nation that have 4 consecutive top 20 classes.
Unfortunately, 5 other SEC teams have done the same, 4 in our division (Bama, LSU, Auburn, Ole Miss) have and 3 (Bama, LSU and Auburn) have 4 consecutive top 10 classes.
So there's a lot of good, but also reason to be concerned. The 2016 season and 2017 class should tell us a whole lot bout whether it's worth sticking with this staff or making significant changes
Unfortunately, 5 other SEC teams have done the same, 4 in our division (Bama, LSU, Auburn, Ole Miss) have and 3 (Bama, LSU and Auburn) have 4 consecutive top 10 classes.
So there's a lot of good, but also reason to be concerned. The 2016 season and 2017 class should tell us a whole lot bout whether it's worth sticking with this staff or making significant changes
Posted on 5/29/16 at 8:23 am to NanosTacoRun
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Unfortunately, 5 other SEC teams have done the same, 4 in our division (Bama, LSU, Auburn, Ole Miss) have and 3 (Bama, LSU and Auburn) have 4 consecutive top 10 classes.
Recruiting only tells part of the story. Recruiting rankings don't fully quantify the "net" talent on the team. 247 has tried to address this with the "College Football Team Talent Composite" and ESPN has the "Football Power Index".
Last year A&M was the 10th best team according to the 247 Talent Composite. A&M lost to conference foes Bama (#1), LSU (#5), Auburn (#8), and Ole Miss (#15). Ole Miss was the outlier last year and that could be attributed to Kyle Allen's poor performance and Kyler Murray's suspension.
A&M has been dead even with Auburn since joining the league and we now know how Ole Miss achieved success. A&M has been close to defeating LSU too.
IMO...It seems pretty dumb to break things up when we know that Les Miles is on the hot seat and Saban will likely retire soon. Once Ole Miss forfeits its wins, Kevin Sumlin would have had 9+ wins every season at A&M. We would essentially be firing our version of Mark Richt, but without giving him 15 seasons to build a program.
Posted on 5/29/16 at 2:18 pm to NanosTacoRun
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needs to get better, but it's not at some level where it's impossible for us to win.
Agree with this, we just aren't going to bring in a top 10 class ever single year. But guess what the other half to the winning formula that involves players is? Development. Which is what scares me more about Sumlin/parts of this staff. Players don't come in here and get progressively better. That's where I think this staff really lacks. But that's just my 2 cents.
While I don't think we will see another double digit win regular season again in the next few years, I'm not writing off any season either just yet. And I am a fairly big Sumlin critic as well. I don't see how y'all with such a pessimistic outlook actually enjoy aggie football at all....
Posted on 5/29/16 at 2:39 pm to Texas Gentleman
You need to stay away from your Sip friends and stop bringing that lack of development crap to out boards.
JFF and Mike Evans weren't even starters under Sherman. Brandon Williams just got drafted. We had a walk-in women's basketball scout team player get picked up by the Texans. A&M has had more NFL guys, drafted and undrafted, come out of A&M in the last 4 years than we have had in over a decade...maybe 2.
JFF and Mike Evans weren't even starters under Sherman. Brandon Williams just got drafted. We had a walk-in women's basketball scout team player get picked up by the Texans. A&M has had more NFL guys, drafted and undrafted, come out of A&M in the last 4 years than we have had in over a decade...maybe 2.
Posted on 5/29/16 at 3:55 pm to Chill98
First you need to follow your username and chill, I don't have any sip friends that are telling me we don't develop players, I've watched the product we've put on the field the last 3 years.
Posted on 5/29/16 at 4:37 pm to Texas Gentleman
Biggest problems with development were QB and OL, and we got rid of those position coaches. Biggest issue moving forward is how quickly the new guys can turn things around. They don't have 3 seasons to develop. They have 1.
Posted on 5/29/16 at 5:58 pm to NanosTacoRun
I can't believe you guys seriously don't believe that Sumlin, Mazzone, Moorehead, Jim Turner, John Chavis, Jeff Banks, Terry Price, Terry Joseph, Larry Jackson, and David Turner can't develop talent (I do have doubts with McKinney).
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This post was edited on 5/29/16 at 6:21 pm
Posted on 5/29/16 at 6:32 pm to Texas Gentleman
Development has been a problem under sumlin. Fortunately for us Chavis and Turner are very good when it comes to player development. Unfortunately, like previously mentioned, they only have one season. This staff should be kept together for the next 5 imo. Firing sumlin isn't a huge deal to me but if it costs us our DC and O line coach I wouldn't be thrilled
Posted on 5/29/16 at 6:33 pm to Chill98
Sumlin has been here 4 years and the trend is downward. It's more than fair to doubt his development abilities. The rest of the staff, there's some good, some bad and some TBD.
Not sure why you think the staff is above doubt or criticism.
Not sure why you think the staff is above doubt or criticism.
Posted on 5/29/16 at 6:43 pm to NanosTacoRun
I can give you the o-line not developing under him but other than that everything has been mostly fine on the development end.
The issues w/QB have FAR more to do w/coddled kids refusing to accept being demoted and/or having to work to keep the starting gig than anything on the development side.
The only other spot that could be considered poor is LBs but that has a lot to do w/a few fricktards getting themselves booted off the team and Snyder running a system the talent couldn't handle.
If anything, those last two are more of an issue w/recognizing which kids are willing to fly straight and work hard than actual player development.
The issues w/QB have FAR more to do w/coddled kids refusing to accept being demoted and/or having to work to keep the starting gig than anything on the development side.
The only other spot that could be considered poor is LBs but that has a lot to do w/a few fricktards getting themselves booted off the team and Snyder running a system the talent couldn't handle.
If anything, those last two are more of an issue w/recognizing which kids are willing to fly straight and work hard than actual player development.
This post was edited on 5/29/16 at 6:45 pm
Posted on 5/29/16 at 6:49 pm to Dr RC
You're ignoring 3 years of disastrous defense. Praise be to God Chavis showed up.
And I think there were serious issues at QB, even beyond the character faults of the players. Kenny melted down under pressure, Kyle did the same. Maybe they get better as upperclassmen, but I would not have liked our chances with Sumlin & Spav. Things should be much better under Mazzone.
And I think there were serious issues at QB, even beyond the character faults of the players. Kenny melted down under pressure, Kyle did the same. Maybe they get better as upperclassmen, but I would not have liked our chances with Sumlin & Spav. Things should be much better under Mazzone.
Posted on 5/29/16 at 6:53 pm to NanosTacoRun
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You're ignoring 3 years of disastrous defense. Praise be to God Chavis showed up.
No, I'm not. Most of those issues were b/c of depth and a system that couldn't be run due to said depth issues.
We already didn't have the needed depth when we joined. Making things worse, there were like 4 or 5 dudes that would have been solid to excellent starters who got booted during those years. A few key injuries were also huge killers.
This post was edited on 5/29/16 at 6:56 pm
Posted on 5/29/16 at 7:15 pm to Dr RC
Whatever you want to call it, Sumlin+Snyder produced an epically awful defense in 2014. Very glad we seem to heading in a completely different direction with Chavis.
Posted on 5/29/16 at 7:27 pm to NanosTacoRun
Sure it was bad. I just don't see how one can ignore that the required size and depth already sucked and several really good players (as well as backups needed to keep the starters fresh) going down to injury or getting expelled made those issues even worse.
If dudes like Claiborne, Stansbury, Golden, and even Kameron Miles hadn't been such epic dumb shits Snyder might even still be here.
If dudes like Claiborne, Stansbury, Golden, and even Kameron Miles hadn't been such epic dumb shits Snyder might even still be here.
This post was edited on 5/29/16 at 7:28 pm
Posted on 5/29/16 at 10:08 pm to Dr RC
Agree completely that injuries and attrition hurt the defense.
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