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What is your opinion on KY?
Posted on 8/26/15 at 9:05 pm
Posted on 8/26/15 at 9:05 pm
Last year everybody was screaming upset when we played them...
Then we literally beat them to death.
So why in the hell is everyone saying they have improved to a level where they can upset us this year?
I need your thoughts here, I'm relatively new to tRant, but I thought they had at least enough intelligence to know that Kentucky is not that much improved.
Or is it that I have missed something about Kentucky becoming a juggernaught?
Then we literally beat them to death.
So why in the hell is everyone saying they have improved to a level where they can upset us this year?
I need your thoughts here, I'm relatively new to tRant, but I thought they had at least enough intelligence to know that Kentucky is not that much improved.
Or is it that I have missed something about Kentucky becoming a juggernaught?
This post was edited on 8/27/15 at 5:37 pm
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Posted on 8/26/15 at 9:15 pm to Thatawesomeguy4
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I thought they had at least enough intelligence
Here's where you went wrong.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 9:58 pm to Thatawesomeguy4
Not sure they are becoming a juggernaut as much as they are becoming more SEC like in football.
Instead of having a team that looks more like a middle to bottom end ACC or B1G type team they have actually recruited players that look like SEC players. Granted they are in their sophomore recruiting cycle, but at least they are getting players that can run the packages the coaches want to run instead of running what they can based on size and speed.
I think this translates into higher expectations than the previous Joker era. I think by the end of the season (freshman recruiting cycle) last year they were out of gas when they played the Vols last. This year they play a month earlier which is why I put up the thread already on this board. Historically UK has not been great since the 70's but from that time till Joker they were at least able to pull out an upset or 2 per season.
Add all this up and that may no longer be the easy win each year they have been in the past. Pretty sure nobody expects SEC east championships, but with the upgrades in size, speed, and facilities they could get to 7, 8, or 9 wins per year in 15, 16, and 17, which is a huge shift for them. The better explanation may be moving to the middle which means they will no longer be the bottom. Mizzou has won the east with lots of 3 stars so it has been proven that strategy can be done. With Stoops they have picked up kids in OH that they would never have gotten in the past. They are competing with Alabama now for kids instead of Indiana or Purdue.
This may be the first year since Stoops got there that he can run what he wants to and it may reflect in more positive goals for UK.
Instead of having a team that looks more like a middle to bottom end ACC or B1G type team they have actually recruited players that look like SEC players. Granted they are in their sophomore recruiting cycle, but at least they are getting players that can run the packages the coaches want to run instead of running what they can based on size and speed.
I think this translates into higher expectations than the previous Joker era. I think by the end of the season (freshman recruiting cycle) last year they were out of gas when they played the Vols last. This year they play a month earlier which is why I put up the thread already on this board. Historically UK has not been great since the 70's but from that time till Joker they were at least able to pull out an upset or 2 per season.
Add all this up and that may no longer be the easy win each year they have been in the past. Pretty sure nobody expects SEC east championships, but with the upgrades in size, speed, and facilities they could get to 7, 8, or 9 wins per year in 15, 16, and 17, which is a huge shift for them. The better explanation may be moving to the middle which means they will no longer be the bottom. Mizzou has won the east with lots of 3 stars so it has been proven that strategy can be done. With Stoops they have picked up kids in OH that they would never have gotten in the past. They are competing with Alabama now for kids instead of Indiana or Purdue.
This may be the first year since Stoops got there that he can run what he wants to and it may reflect in more positive goals for UK.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 10:31 pm to Cheese Grits
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They are competing with Alabama now for kids instead of Indiana or Purdue.
Wat? Did any of Kentucky's 2015 signees have an Alabama offer?
I'm not really trying to hate but I don't understand where this hype about UK is coming from.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 10:35 pm to Thatawesomeguy4
It is by no means and automatic win but....
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quote: I thought they had at least enough intelligence Here's where you went wrong.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 10:53 pm to Thatawesomeguy4
I think they will be a respectable team, but this should be the sort of game that we win with relative ease if we want to think we are back.
I know this series is usually competitive, but it really shouldn't have been most years.
I know this series is usually competitive, but it really shouldn't have been most years.
Posted on 8/27/15 at 7:12 am to Vols&Shaft83
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Here's where you went wrong.
I won't make the same mistake again.
This post was edited on 8/27/15 at 7:12 am
Posted on 8/27/15 at 7:45 am to NorthGAVol
quote:1 did. Kengera Daniel. Also the only one of their signees offered by UT.
Wat? Did any of Kentucky's 2015 signees have an Alabama offer?
7 of their guys were offered by Indiana and 3 by Purdue.
This post was edited on 8/27/15 at 7:54 am
Posted on 8/27/15 at 10:49 am to InVolNerable
I think Alabama was after Elam last year
Past few years Stoops has pulled some Ohio State 2nd tier types.
Bigger point is they have been in the Top 25 range since Stoops got there and how far do you have to go back before that to see UK sign a Top 25 class?
Again, nobody is saying or expecting they will sign Top 10 type classes, and nobody at this point expects NC's but signing Top 25 type classes over say 4 or 5 years should get UK out from the bottom, which is the reason for optimism.
Past few years Stoops has pulled some Ohio State 2nd tier types.
Bigger point is they have been in the Top 25 range since Stoops got there and how far do you have to go back before that to see UK sign a Top 25 class?
Again, nobody is saying or expecting they will sign Top 10 type classes, and nobody at this point expects NC's but signing Top 25 type classes over say 4 or 5 years should get UK out from the bottom, which is the reason for optimism.
Posted on 8/27/15 at 2:36 pm to Cheese Grits
Automatic win IMO
Posted on 8/27/15 at 3:31 pm to Thatawesomeguy4
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OK guys, What is your opinion on KY?
Sorry...but that sounds gay...not that there's anything wrong with that.
Posted on 8/27/15 at 5:38 pm to madmaxvol
There, it's less gay now.
Don't you dare ever group me with those fricking gaytors again.
Don't you dare ever group me with those fricking gaytors again.
Posted on 8/30/15 at 6:01 pm to NorthGAVol
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I'm not really trying to hate but I don't understand where this hype about UK is coming from.
They've landed some solid 3, 4, and 5 stars from Ohio, which has long been ripe for the picking when Kentucky finally decided to find some coaches with inroads there. Vince Marrow turned down the same position on Harbaugh's staff at Michigan to stay at Kentucky and it's paid off. They nabbed TE CJ Conrad from Ohio State out of Ohio in 2015 for example and he's already worked his way up the depth chart. 4* S Darius West (picked UK over Notre Dame) from Ohio will play this season after injury last season and will get significant reps. As well as 4* WR Thaddeus Snodgrass (redshirted last season) who they nabbed out of Ohio over Ohio State, Florida, and Michigan State.
He's building a solid base to work with. Do we beat Tennessee? I doubt it. I do think it'll be more competitive given that they were coming off an 8 game stretch with no bye and the bulk of their SEC schedule. And returning to bowl eligibility is a good possibility. SEC purists might shite on that, but you don't go from 2 wins total to 8-9 wins overnight if the talent wasn't there along with the coaching.
Posted on 8/30/15 at 6:27 pm to BluegrassBelle
I don't think I'm allowed to comment on Kentucky's recruiting of the state of Ohio anymore 
I'm not saying that UK hasn't improved. I think that's obvious to anyone that has paid attention. My original comment was directed towards seeing people talk about Kentucky like they are going to be some dark horse for the East and could win 8 games. I don't buy that yet. Even with the uptick in recruiting, Kentucky's roster is still probably bottom 3 in the SEC. Stoops is doing a much better job than Joker, no question about that.
Good luck this season except for our game
I'm not saying that UK hasn't improved. I think that's obvious to anyone that has paid attention. My original comment was directed towards seeing people talk about Kentucky like they are going to be some dark horse for the East and could win 8 games. I don't buy that yet. Even with the uptick in recruiting, Kentucky's roster is still probably bottom 3 in the SEC. Stoops is doing a much better job than Joker, no question about that.
Good luck this season except for our game
Posted on 8/30/15 at 6:44 pm to NorthGAVol
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My original comment was directed towards seeing people talk about Kentucky like they are going to be some dark horse for the East and could win 8 games.
I'll be honest, the first time I saw anybody predict that with any kind of non-trolling seriousness was the SEC Network. And I was pretty shocked by it. That said, they also went on the next day to say the Florida game we should win is a game Florida should win so they're not exactly consistent (
). I think most will tell you fans right now and just wanting to get back to 6 and bowl eligibility. quote:
I don't think I'm allowed to comment on Kentucky's recruiting of the state of Ohio anymore
What's funny is Stoops and Marrow have been recruiting the state well enough that some other B1G schools not named Ohio State are getting their panties in a bunch about it. Dantonio even went as far as to throw some shade at Kentucky over it last season. I don't see them ever consistently getting kids in competition with Ohio State, but I do think they can compete with the guys that miss out on a spot and they nab them from someone like Michigan State.
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