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surgicalvenom
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Is Butch...
A bad coach or is the UT program just too damn big for him? He seems like he has passion, you guys get great recruits, but there is a night and day difference between the pressures of UT vs say Mizzou. Texas seemed too big for Strong, now he's doing fine. Could it be you need a guy like Stoops or Vennables?
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Wishnitwas1998
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re: Is Butch...
I mean wouldn't a bad coach be one who a program would be too big for?


Regardless, the answer is fairly
Obvious that he isn't very good at X's and O's


surgicalvenom
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re: Is Butch...
Strong seems to be a good coach, away from Texas. Blueblood programs come with so much more than just whats on the field.


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SavageOrangeJug
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Could it be you need a guy like Stoops

Yes.
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RFM
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Butch is a shite coach. UT is too big of a job for his thin skinned little burrheaded ass. frick him.


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Prof
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re: Is Butch...
The problem is that he's a 9 win coach when things are going well but that's his peak. That's a pretty good coach for many teams but it won't cut it at Tennessee.

A lot of people are angry with Jones but the truth is the man worked his arse off to dig us out of a ginormous hole that few realize the size of and that he rarely gets enough credit for. TBH, that's probably why he gets flustered with the media and overcompensates by saying stupid shite or stuff that's exaggerated - he never got credit for the goals he actually did accomplish and resents that he didn't and that pissed off resentment leads him into saying dumbass shite to try and get credit.

That said, he succeeded in flipping the roster and laying the groundwork for a solid program. He's done almost everything right except evolve and grow as a gameday coach. He's stuck at 8 or 9 wins and people have no faith that he'll ever do better than that. I appreciate what he's done for us but he's literally at the point where he can do no more and keeping him around can cause us to slide backwards and undo what he did manage to accomplish.

Could he be better at a lower level? Quite possibly. I think the stress and lack of acknowledgement for the smaller things (he never quite figured out that those are things programs of our background don't pat anyone on the back for) has led him into a chaotic state, certainly moreso than when he first arrived. He's never taken criticism well but when he first arrived and was in a grace period his teams played their asses off and were disciplined. He was a different person then and people liked him but criticism changed him. I think he could do well at a smaller program that demanded far less than what a blue-blood demands.


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SavageOrangeJug
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Member since Oct 2005
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re: Is Butch...
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A lot of people are angry with Jones but the truth is the man worked his arse off to dig us out of a ginormous hole that few realize the size of and that he rarely gets enough credit for.

I said from the first year. Butch Jones may no succeed. However, if he fails it won't be because he isn't the hardest working SOB in Knoxville.

Butch stabilized and righted the program. He has brought in talent. We are no longer a dumpster fire.

The problem Butch has right now is he has lost the locker room. frick the fan base. Win and they will come running back like a hound to bacon. Once you lose the team, it's gone.

I'm not sure how this happened, but it has happened. There is a lot of internal strife right now...A LOT. There is also some stuff that we're not being given the straight story on.


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Wishnitwas1998
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Member since Oct 2010
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re: Is Butch...
Agreed, he's done a very good job of righting an incredibly wayward ship and he absolutely deserves credit for that but this is his ceiling and if we don't move now, especially when it's a great year to do so as far as competition for hires, we could dig ourselves a hole


VolInBavaria
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re: Is Butch...
My thoughts exactly


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Vols&Shaft83
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re: Is Butch...
All of you giving Lyle credit for righting the ship need to reevaluate his actual performance.


Without Dobbs, Lyle has a below .500 record and he would have been fired before the end 2015.


Prof
Tennessee Fan
Member since Jun 2013
22370 posts

re: Is Butch...
In terms of rebuilding the roster and stabilizing the program, Dobbs saving his arse or not really has no bearing.


volfan30
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Member since Jun 2010
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re: Is Butch...
IMO the roster is not that much better. Past two classes he’s signed are not up to par at all. This class looks much better but who knows how the coaching change will change it.


Prof
Tennessee Fan
Member since Jun 2013
22370 posts

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They're not up to the top 5 classes we need but in terms of where we were and where we are there's no comparison. I believe the 247 composite ranks us #12 in overall talent and it's pretty clear we have talent all over the field that simply isn't being developed and/or utilized.

As for the current class, I think it all depends on who we hire but most will likely stick. We will definitely lose some tho. It's just a matter of which ones. I hate that too because I really like the class we've put together this year.


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