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re: Naz Reid 6'10 240 #2 PF/#7 overall down to final two
Posted on 8/20/17 at 12:34 pm to tigerbait2010
Posted on 8/20/17 at 12:34 pm to tigerbait2010
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understand the defense of pearl to an extent, but you guys should be pissed if you don't go dancing this season
Most AU fans will be. If we are first out situation / #1 NIT seed we wouldnt be furious though
Our issue this year is that we can't find P5 OOC teams to schedule us. It's a huge fricking problem in terms of tourney resume
This post was edited on 8/20/17 at 12:34 pm
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Posted on 8/20/17 at 12:50 pm to tigerbait2010
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Jesus, Auburn
It wasn't even like Bruce got Auburn at our historically shitty average either. Even by AUs shitty history Tony Barbee was the worst coach in decades
So you Shut your piehole about Bruce. The man couldn't even recruit for his first two years
This post was edited on 8/20/17 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 8/20/17 at 1:15 pm to Woopigsooie20
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You think a 5-star prospect from New Jersey with a girlfriend at LSU isn't fortunate luck for Wade and co?
It helps but let's not act like this is the only reason why Reid would come here, not like people always follow girlfriends everywhere.
Wade has done a terrific job in 4 months here getting players signed up and his 2018 class is going to be Top 5 in the country probably, maybe only Top 10 if a player or two falls through. Smart is locked in. Reid we are heavy favorite for. We are in the top list for a handful of other top 100 overall prospects as well.
The guy only managed to get a top 50 player, 2 all conference transfers, former juco national player of the year, Kiir, Edwards, a 5 star guard, and put us on top lists for a handful of top 100 overall players in a matter of months. That's called busting your arse and it paying off pretty big. Pretty much no one expected wade to be this big of a recruiter and roster turnover like this in just a matter of months arriving here.
This post was edited on 8/20/17 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 8/20/17 at 2:22 pm to thunderbird1100
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The guy only managed to get a top 50 player, 2 all conference transfers, former juco national player of the year, Kiir, Edwards
That's sugarcoating.
Posted on 8/20/17 at 2:54 pm to Woopigsooie20
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That's sugarcoating
It's called facts. Every step of this way you've put down what wade has done, he continues to take in players and get top guys interested in a matter of months. Not sure why it bothers you so much you have to interject in every single wade thread you can, but he's done a terrific job getting rid of bad players and trying to bring in some real talent here and fill holes.
Waters
Kiir
Bigby-Williams
Combs
Onwuasor
Edwards
2018 5 star Smart
2018 5 star Reid (final 2)...and he wasn't interested in us until wade arrived, girlfriend aside
Got rid of 4 worst players from last year's team.
That's 4 months of work. That's a fricking fantastic job and not really spinnable by you at this point. Pretty much nobody expected this kind of start out of him on the player roster and recruiting standpoint.
Posted on 8/20/17 at 8:11 pm to thunderbird1100
A lot of the reason Naz wants to come here too is due to his friendship with Smart, once he committed...it heated up quickly with Naz. No Smart? Maybe no Naz....go on with your bad self Wade 
Posted on 8/21/17 at 5:28 pm to Woopigsooie20
How is facts considered sugarcoating?. Everything he just said is true. Why do you sound butthurt over this?
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:46 am to chadr07
He was hoping that Wade would struggle more.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 11:54 am to LSU Patrick
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He was hoping that Wade would struggle more.
Wade is doing better than expected/ about as good as one could given the timing of the hire + situation.
What Wade has done though is capitalized on unusual circumstances + instate talent rather than elite recruiting though. Unless you plan to recruit in the margins permanently, Wade still has much to prove
I mean, just look at the context of these LSU guys that is clearly left out
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2018 5 star Smart (+Reid)
Smart is a 4* but still consensus top ~30 which is a huge pull. The thing though is he is an instate LA kid.
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Waters
This is similar to how Auburn lucked into Mustapha Heron. By the time Jamie Dixon left Pitt, Heron had limited options available as teams filled up their classes already
Credit for getting him, but beating out a down for the count UConn program + GTown who already lost him isn't that big
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Kiir
A 3* who Wade already had committed to VCU?
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Bigby-Williams
Did he even have any other major offers? Obviously a huge talent addition but Wade won by showing up
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Combs/Onwuasor/Daryl Edwards
None of these guys had legit offers from big time programs. Solid additions for sure but not huge pulls
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Reid
A 5* player has a GF at LSU?
I don't give Bruce Pearl full credit for EJ Montgomery either btw. EJ's sister plays for AU, that is dumb luck not great recruiting
This post was edited on 8/22/17 at 11:55 am
Posted on 8/22/17 at 11:59 am to GenesChin
Hmmmm...
Posted on 8/22/17 at 12:14 pm to GenesChin
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Smart is a 4* but still consensus top ~30 which is a huge pull. The thing though is he is an instate LA kid.
Smart is #19 overall, they just havent expanded the 5-stars yet, he will be a 5-star when they do. Every Top 25 player or so is. Why does Wade ge tno credit for pulling Smart? Smart isnt coming here under the previous coach and we've lost countless Louisiana players to other schools. Smart had offers from just about everywhere.
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This is similar to how Auburn lucked into Mustapha Heron. By the time Jamie Dixon left Pitt, Heron had limited options available as teams filled up their classes already
Credit for getting him, but beating out a down for the count UConn program + GTown who already lost him isn't that big
Wade was is in a situation where these are the types of guys you can go after in April, May...well after the 2nd national signing day. Not like there's much on the board but Waters had other options he could have chose and still chose us because Wade jumped on him immediately. Dude is a legit prospect.
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A 3* who Wade already had committed to VCU?
Is a 4-star on 247 sports rankings, but yes 3-star in composite. We have no big man depth, Wade went out and convinced Kiir to follow him, it filled a huge area of need.
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Did he even have any other major offers? Obviously a huge talent addition but Wade won by showing up
He was the former JUCO national player of the year, obviously the investigation mired his re-recruitment up a bit but again Wade went out and got him very early on. He's been very consistent on getting on these guys before anyone else can even really talk to them.
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None of these guys had legit offers from big time programs. Solid additions for sure but not huge pulls
Edwards was a top 25 JUCO player who shot 46.6% from the line last season. He had offers from UNLV, Utah and ISU. Combs and Onwuasor were all conference players. Onwuasor most recently was visiting Gonzaga and (Was going to visit) South Carolina but chose us. Combs immediately decided to transfer here because his former coach got hired by Wade, so he explored no options. Rest assurd, both thos guys could have ended up in desirable destinations.
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A 5* player has a GF at LSU?
He was not interested in coming here till Wade recruited him. That had an impact. Wade's 2018 class will be pretty ridiculous, expect 4 Top 100 overall type players.
In conclusion, Wade has done a ridiculous off-season job in the 4 months he's been here. You're talking about adding 7 players to the program in that short amount of time.
This post was edited on 8/22/17 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 8/22/17 at 12:46 pm to thunderbird1100
I'm not arguing that Wade has had an impressive start, he has. You just can't extrapolate elite recruiting from pulling in GradTransfer/JUCOs + post NSD LOI releases
Wade has to start recruiting top end talent w/ no ties to LSU before anyone takes Wade the recruiter seriously. As of right now, we just don't know he hasn't the opportunity
I'm going to start by saying any guy from ~#20 to #40 should be extremely close in ability
Javonte Smart's "#19" Composite ranking is because 247's BBall composite is a POS. He is inside the top 25 in only 1 ranking
247 Internal - #36
Scout- #28
ESPN - #26
Rivals - #19
ESPN is the best of the traditional recruiting site rankings for basketball. They suck at football, but they get basketball right compared to the others
Wade has to start recruiting top end talent w/ no ties to LSU before anyone takes Wade the recruiter seriously. As of right now, we just don't know he hasn't the opportunity
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Smart is #19 overall,
I'm going to start by saying any guy from ~#20 to #40 should be extremely close in ability
Javonte Smart's "#19" Composite ranking is because 247's BBall composite is a POS. He is inside the top 25 in only 1 ranking
247 Internal - #36
Scout- #28
ESPN - #26
Rivals - #19
ESPN is the best of the traditional recruiting site rankings for basketball. They suck at football, but they get basketball right compared to the others
This post was edited on 8/22/17 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 8/22/17 at 12:58 pm to GenesChin
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Wade has to start recruiting top end talent w/ no ties to LSU before anyone takes Wade the recruiter seriously. As of right now, we just don't know he hasn't the opportunity
How can he do that when you make excuses for everyone he's recruiting? From Louisiana? Doesn't count. Has some relation to someone like girlfriend or coach? Doesn't count.
We're expected to sign 4 Top 100 caliber players for 2018, 2 of those are from LA and 1 has a girlfriend here, so basically the whole class doesn't count even though it's likely to finish Top 10 in the country?
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Javonte Smart's "#19" Composite ranking is because 247's BBall composite is a POS. He is inside the top 25 in only 1 ranking
247 Internal - #36
Scout- #28
ESPN - #26
Rivals - #19
You understand how this works, right? He doesnt need to be 18, 19, 20, 19 to be #19 in the composite. It's not just an average and that's where you RANK. The #1 player could be 1, 1, 3, 6 in the 4 rankings and still be #1 overall in composite.
There are guys who are probably rated 11, 16, 38, 51, but they would be lower in the composite than Smart.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 2:02 pm to thunderbird1100
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How can he do that when you make excuses for everyone he's recruiting?
You should read better
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As of right now, we just don't know he hasn't the opportunity
Posted on 8/22/17 at 3:09 pm to GenesChin
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You should read better
Again, how can he do that when you basically made an excuse for everyone he has recruited and is recruiting?
Would you not consider a class that looks like:
Smart
Reid
Days
LeBlanc
To be a great recruiting job? Because based on the criteria you just gave previously, 2 of those dont count because of the state they live in and another doesnt count because of a girlfriend.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 3:21 pm to thunderbird1100
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To be a great recruiting job?
What is the benchmark here?
Does it show that Wade isn't a liability recruiting? Sure
Does it prove that Wade can beat out top programs for elite talent outside LA? No
Posted on 8/22/17 at 3:26 pm to GenesChin
So back to my point, you making an excuse for most of who he has gotten and might get. That's a Top 10 type class if that's what he lands for 2018. I'd say that shows one can recruit at an elite level. No, he's obviously not Cal at UK, but that's a pretty huge class for a guy nobody really knew about until just recently.
Also, the 2017 class finished #15 in the composite, and Wade added 3 to the official list and 6 overall (3 not counting due to being transfers).
But hey, a couple guys from Louisiana, don't count
Also, the 2017 class finished #15 in the composite, and Wade added 3 to the official list and 6 overall (3 not counting due to being transfers).
But hey, a couple guys from Louisiana, don't count
This post was edited on 8/22/17 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 8/22/17 at 3:55 pm to thunderbird1100
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that's a pretty huge class for a guy nobody really knew about until just recently.
What? I guess if you don't follow college basketball maybe.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 3:58 pm to rockiee
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What? I guess if you don't follow college basketball maybe.
Sure, if you're an avid follower of Chattanooga or VCU basketball the last few years you might have caught his name, but let's not pretend like he was even close to a big name. He wasn't a Ben Howland, Bruce Pearl, Avery Johnson, etc...He's only 34 years old
This post was edited on 8/22/17 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 8/22/17 at 4:07 pm to thunderbird1100
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if you're an avid follower of Chattanooga or VCU basketball the last few years you might have caught his name
You didn't really have to, Smart made VCU a school that has been commonly talked about since he started that run. While Wade kept the momentum going. He was often listed in the raising young coaches that would get a shot at a bigger program.
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but let's not pretend like he was even close to a big name. He wasn't a Ben Howland, Bruce Pearl, Avery Johnson, etc...He's only 34 years old
Right and if you would have said that then I would have agreed with you.
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