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re: Is Ben Simmons Better Than Malik Monk
Posted on 11/20/15 at 12:19 pm to SoberAg
Posted on 11/20/15 at 12:19 pm to SoberAg
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However, did Jordan show you that he could be the NBA leading scorer year after year averaging 17 points a game in college?
You ever take a look at what system they ran at UNC? I'll give you some time.
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How about the fact that Jay Bilas (who has an opinion I would trust more than both of ours put together) makes direct comparisons between Simmons and Lebron?
Comparing how they play. Not the ceiling, talent level, etc. If you asked Bilas if he thought Simmons would become a top 5 NBA player of all time, he would laugh in your face.
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Posted on 11/20/15 at 12:20 pm to RTR America
lol
What do the NBA scouts say? I guess you read too much into internet mock drafts.
What do the NBA scouts say? I guess you read too much into internet mock drafts.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 12:48 pm to RTR America
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If you asked Bilas if he thought Simmons would become a top 5 NBA player of all time, he would laugh in your face.
Thank goodness I don't believe he will be, or tried to make that argument anywhere in this thread...
Posted on 11/20/15 at 12:54 pm to Hugh McElroy
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Lebron averaged 21/6/5/2 his first year in the NBA. I agree that Simmons is like Lebron in that he can fill up a stat line, but it doesn't appear that he's quite the scorer Lebron would have been in college, had he played college ball. Simmons, merely three games in, is averaging 19/13/5/2 while playing schools like McNeese, rather than the Lakers.
Not that I'm saying Simmons would average what LeBron is but you can never directly translate over NBA stats to college. College is a much slower game with far less possessions than the NBA. Russell Westbrook averaged 12.7 points a game in his SECOND season in college. By his 3rd year in the NBA he was well over 20 ppg.
Simmons also can score as much as he wants to in college. He only scored 11 in his first game because he took just 7 shots. Nobody can stop him and if he wants could drop 30 or 40 in these games relatively easy. He just wants to get others involved because we have a lot of good player (shooters) on our team. That's what makes him such a well rounded player.
This post was edited on 11/20/15 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 11/20/15 at 12:54 pm to RTR America
And just to clarify, the question of the thread was "Is Ben Simmons better than Malik Monk?"
I answered yes, because I believe he looks like what Lebron would have if he played a year in college.
He's a forward who can dribble, guard multiple positions, is a willing passer, and hasn't HAD to shoot because his athleticism is freakish.
I understand people saying he won't be Top 5 ever, but I wasn't even making that argument and don't believe he will be.
Still, I don't know why comparing playstyles or ability is taboo and using stats from different leagues with different rules isn't really relevant... which was why I responded the way I did about the 'fact' we KNOW Ben Simmons won't be as good as Lebron because of his rookie season in the NBA lol. Doesn't make sense to me, but whatever.
I answered yes, because I believe he looks like what Lebron would have if he played a year in college.
He's a forward who can dribble, guard multiple positions, is a willing passer, and hasn't HAD to shoot because his athleticism is freakish.
I understand people saying he won't be Top 5 ever, but I wasn't even making that argument and don't believe he will be.
Still, I don't know why comparing playstyles or ability is taboo and using stats from different leagues with different rules isn't really relevant... which was why I responded the way I did about the 'fact' we KNOW Ben Simmons won't be as good as Lebron because of his rookie season in the NBA lol. Doesn't make sense to me, but whatever.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 1:14 pm to SoberAg
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because I believe he looks like what Lebron would have if he played a year in college.
Again this is absurd. Lebron was the best player to come out of high school since Jordan basically. Ben Simmons is not anywhere close to that type of prospect.
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He's a forward who can dribble, guard multiple positions, is a willing passer, and hasn't HAD to shoot because his athleticism is freakish.
He isn't close to the athlete Lebron is and Bron is one of the best passers since Magic.
And he hasn't had to shoot because they haven't played anyone with a pulse.
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Still, I don't know why comparing playstyles or ability is taboo and using stats from different leagues with different rules isn't really relevant.
There is nothing wrong with comparing how they player, like I said in a previous post.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 1:16 pm to thunderbird1100
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Russell Westbrook averaged 12.7 points a game in his SECOND season in college.
Westbrook played in the most bogged down version imaginable in college under Howland and he was always a late bloomer. He was a 3 star out of high school.
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Nobody can stop him and if he wants could drop 30 or 40 in these games relatively easy
Jesus
Posted on 11/20/15 at 1:20 pm to RTR America
Why do you hate Simmons so much?
Have you watched 1 game he's even played in so far?
We could literally just iso every other possession for him down the court and he'd EASILY have 30 or 40 points a game. Every time we have iso'd him on a guy he's pretty gotten fouled or scored. Absolutely nobody can guard him, especially on these lower mid major type teams. What makes you say "Jesus" to easily the best player being able to drop 30 or 40 if he wanted to on low level D1 players?
I honestly dont know why you make LeBron to be so much above Simmons given the same time period. LeBron was very similar to Simmons their first year after high school. neither has a developed jump shot but can just out athlete nearly everyone and with their size be dominant around the rim. Both have elite passing skills as well. Keep in mind Simmons has 2 inches on LeBron so that only exacerbates everything.
Wiggins and Carter-Williams, the last 2 NBA ROY and 1 and dones, averaged 17 points per game their first year in the league. Griffin averaged what, 22 or so first year? Simmons could be in the NBA right now throwing down 20 a game. Griffin DEFINITELY didnt have a jump shot when he got into the league either.
Have you watched 1 game he's even played in so far?
We could literally just iso every other possession for him down the court and he'd EASILY have 30 or 40 points a game. Every time we have iso'd him on a guy he's pretty gotten fouled or scored. Absolutely nobody can guard him, especially on these lower mid major type teams. What makes you say "Jesus" to easily the best player being able to drop 30 or 40 if he wanted to on low level D1 players?
I honestly dont know why you make LeBron to be so much above Simmons given the same time period. LeBron was very similar to Simmons their first year after high school. neither has a developed jump shot but can just out athlete nearly everyone and with their size be dominant around the rim. Both have elite passing skills as well. Keep in mind Simmons has 2 inches on LeBron so that only exacerbates everything.
Wiggins and Carter-Williams, the last 2 NBA ROY and 1 and dones, averaged 17 points per game their first year in the league. Griffin averaged what, 22 or so first year? Simmons could be in the NBA right now throwing down 20 a game. Griffin DEFINITELY didnt have a jump shot when he got into the league either.
This post was edited on 11/20/15 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 11/20/15 at 1:36 pm to thunderbird1100
ITT: People who hate Ben Simmons because they hate LSU, people who hate Ben Simmons because they are comparing him to one of the greatest of all time, and people who hate when their own use of statistics prove their own arguments irrelevant.
Ben Simmons is a great player.
Ben Simmons looks like he will be a good NBA player.
Ben Simmons is not Lebron.
Ben Simmons plays college basketball.
Ben Simmons is better than Malik Monk.
Ben Simmons is a great player.
Ben Simmons looks like he will be a good NBA player.
Ben Simmons is not Lebron.
Ben Simmons plays college basketball.
Ben Simmons is better than Malik Monk.
Posted on 11/20/15 at 2:01 pm to SoberAg
I think it's as simple as we hear hype about these kids coming out as the next (insert hot NBA player here) and it's not unreasonable to have some skepticism about that.
Simmons is a great player. But he's being touted as the next "one of a kind" type player and I'm not talking in the "poor man's" sense either. That's huge praise that even Anthony Davis, who went on to win pretty well every POY award, an Olympic Gold Medal, and was the #1 pick in the NBA Draft, didn't receive until after he left UK.
ETA: It's also ridiculous to be so defensive of his criticism to assume someone hates a player because they don't buy into some very big hype. Or that he can't be a very good player without being the next LeBron.
Simmons is a great player. But he's being touted as the next "one of a kind" type player and I'm not talking in the "poor man's" sense either. That's huge praise that even Anthony Davis, who went on to win pretty well every POY award, an Olympic Gold Medal, and was the #1 pick in the NBA Draft, didn't receive until after he left UK.
ETA: It's also ridiculous to be so defensive of his criticism to assume someone hates a player because they don't buy into some very big hype. Or that he can't be a very good player without being the next LeBron.
This post was edited on 11/20/15 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 11/20/15 at 3:09 pm to BluegrassBelle
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ETA: It's also ridiculous to be so defensive of his criticism to assume someone hates a player
I think it's pretty clear RTR hates him, the dude is on crusade to prove he's not good or something.
there's a very very simple reason Simmons is propped up as much as he is. He is one of those VERY unique talents in being a true point forward. Magic Johnson is what made this popular and people today know LeBron as that type of player. Simmons fits into that same mold with his skillset. (GOOD) Point forwards literally are a very very very rare breed, which is why Simmons is getting the hype he does.
This post was edited on 11/20/15 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 11/20/15 at 3:16 pm to thunderbird1100
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I think it's pretty clear RTR hates him,
Posted on 11/20/15 at 6:30 pm to thunderbird1100
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Have you watched 1 game he's even played in so far?
Watched 2 of them so far, watched him play in the hoop summit, watched him play in the ASG's/
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Why do you hate Simmons so much?
I literally have nothing against the kid at all. I love watching him play. I wish y'alls schedule was tougher so we could see him play against better competition.
The only thing I hate is the hilariously awful hype LSU fans are putting on him.
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We could literally just iso every other possession for him down the court and he'd EASILY have 30 or 40 points a game
Like this is fricking retarded
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I honestly dont know why you make LeBron to be so much above Simmons given the same time period.
Again fricking retarded
Posted on 11/20/15 at 7:07 pm to thunderbird1100
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think it's pretty clear RTR hates him, the dude is on crusade to prove he's not good or something.
there's a very very simple reason Simmons is propped up as much as he is. He is one of those VERY unique talents in being a true point forward. Magic Johnson is what made this popular and people today know LeBron as that type of player. Simmons fits into that same mold with his skillset. (GOOD) Point forwards literally are a very very very rare breed, which is why Simmons is getting the hype he does.
So he should be able to take over a game whenever he wants....can't wait
Posted on 11/21/15 at 1:32 am to Gladius Veritas
No one in the 16 class is as good as Simmons(or Rabb)
Posted on 11/21/15 at 9:42 am to RTR America
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Like this is fricking retarded
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Again fricking retarded
This is why you're coming off as just a bitter idiot. Cant provide ANY sort of constructive criticism.
What makes you think anyone on the likes of McNeese St, Kennesaw State or South Alabama has a prayer of guarding him 1 on 1? The few times we've gone iso for him in these games it's a foul or easy score every time for him. He could easily get 30 or 40 if we simply did that a good majority of possessions, no question.
Also, why is LeBron such a terrible comparison??? They are CONSTANTLY compared by most anyone. They are very similar players and unique talents. Nobody is trying to say Simmons is LeBron RIGHT NOW. If you cant remember though, LeBron came out of high school with NO JUMP SHOT. It was something he had to develop his first couple years in the NBA. Both are big and tall, both run the point constantly for their team, both have elite passing skills. The similarities at similar time periods are endless. Again, nobody is saying he will end up being the next LeBron in the NBA, but the comparison completely makes sense.
This post was edited on 11/21/15 at 9:45 am
Posted on 11/21/15 at 1:50 pm to VerlanderBEAST
No one eh? Stupid statement.
Posted on 11/21/15 at 1:52 pm to thunderbird1100
Please stop comparing Simmons to Lebron. Simmons is a stud, but so are other players in the conference. And I am saying this now, Ulis is the best player in the SEC at the moment.
Posted on 11/21/15 at 2:31 pm to WildcatMike
Posted on 11/21/15 at 3:20 pm to LSU Patrick
Only ones crying are Arkie and LSU fans...continue with the sand in your vaginas. Thats all
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