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Would you keep Freeze or fire him?
Posted on 5/18/17 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 5/18/17 at 9:36 pm
This runs long but I think it's an interesting question to consider. Finebaum had Andy Staples on today and Andy posited that OM may elect to buck standard practice and keep Freeze despite incurring more severe penalties for not firing him. He said consider if OM would be better off in five years with keeping Hugh or without? I think OM would be better off keeping him.
What do you think about the following points? I know I'm setting the ball up on the tee for some gratifying trolling but for each of these is it more risk averse or risk seeking to hire or fire freeze?
1. Coaching: Are the odds of Freeze being a better coach higher than those of his replacement? What better coach than Hugh will come to this shite show and if so, who?
2. Recruiting: The odds of him being a better salesperson are higher also. I also believe that kids these days are highly susceptible to recency effect. After a few years much of this bad PR will be forgotten and someone else will be in the news cycle. Will he be able to sell better than who replaces him where we are as a program? For this question you have to also consider where we will be as a program under each scenario and who would be more of a risk to not be able to overcome their respective situation.
3. Current players: I think we are getting a two year ban either way so transfers may happen anyway. I think many will stay though also. Players may also transfer because of a new system with a new coach. Which will be worse and should current players factor into a strategic 5 year outlook decision?
4. Competitors opinion: I think the rest of the conference wants him gone because he can beat anyone on any given Saturday even with a depleted roster. If everyone wants him gone why would we?
5. PR: It can't get any worse. We will show that we are loyal to our coaches and this may play into decisions to come here for future coaches and players. Also if we fire him, we are admitting to everything. If we keep him we can claim to dispute some of the charges even if the COI disagrees.
What do you think about the following points? I know I'm setting the ball up on the tee for some gratifying trolling but for each of these is it more risk averse or risk seeking to hire or fire freeze?
1. Coaching: Are the odds of Freeze being a better coach higher than those of his replacement? What better coach than Hugh will come to this shite show and if so, who?
2. Recruiting: The odds of him being a better salesperson are higher also. I also believe that kids these days are highly susceptible to recency effect. After a few years much of this bad PR will be forgotten and someone else will be in the news cycle. Will he be able to sell better than who replaces him where we are as a program? For this question you have to also consider where we will be as a program under each scenario and who would be more of a risk to not be able to overcome their respective situation.
3. Current players: I think we are getting a two year ban either way so transfers may happen anyway. I think many will stay though also. Players may also transfer because of a new system with a new coach. Which will be worse and should current players factor into a strategic 5 year outlook decision?
4. Competitors opinion: I think the rest of the conference wants him gone because he can beat anyone on any given Saturday even with a depleted roster. If everyone wants him gone why would we?
5. PR: It can't get any worse. We will show that we are loyal to our coaches and this may play into decisions to come here for future coaches and players. Also if we fire him, we are admitting to everything. If we keep him we can claim to dispute some of the charges even if the COI disagrees.
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Posted on 5/18/17 at 9:40 pm to BurnsideStyle
Posted on 5/18/17 at 9:41 pm to BurnsideStyle
keep him until he gets a show cause so I can yank his contract out from under him. 
Posted on 5/18/17 at 9:41 pm to BurnsideStyle
That is truly a tough decision, but if Coach Freeze was well aware of transgressions and allowed these to continue then the university should terminate him. If it can be proven that he really had no part or knowledge, then he should remain.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 9:43 pm to BurnsideStyle
Won't matter when he gets a show cause.
Then Ole Miss will save a bunch by not having to fire him.
Then Ole Miss will save a bunch by not having to fire him.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 9:44 pm to CBandits82
Nice. That's yard but what about Hugh?
Posted on 5/18/17 at 9:50 pm to bbvdd
He can coach at OM with show cause.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 10:04 pm to BurnsideStyle
What planet do you live on? He got caught. Fire him, cut your losses and move on. The longer the stench lingers, the harder it will be to finally clear the air.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 10:18 pm to Gray Tiger
You keep him until the show-cause, then you fire him as quickly as you can, with no money due.
You can't keep a program cancer. You'll never get out of the NCAA's cross hairs as long as he is present, it will be used against him endlessly, and while you aren't likely to do better, you can at least move on from the great mistake.
But hey, I hope Ole Miss keeps Freeze forever.
You can't keep a program cancer. You'll never get out of the NCAA's cross hairs as long as he is present, it will be used against him endlessly, and while you aren't likely to do better, you can at least move on from the great mistake.
But hey, I hope Ole Miss keeps Freeze forever.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 10:19 pm to Gray Tiger
Lol. At the fear on this board. He suck he's a cheater but get rid of him because of the sanctity of the team... Forget the fact it makes ole miss relevant and makes sec west more difficult for us. Please get rid of Hugh.
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Posted on 5/18/17 at 10:23 pm to Gray Tiger
I live on planet WAOM and we don't have the luxury of firing a proven winner or worse, a national championship winning coach like LSU. You can roll the dice and recover pretty quickly from O if it doesn't work out but that is not the case with us. I'm still wondering what planet the LSU administration was on with all of its resources that led to such a risky decision as hiring O when they should have been able to get literally who ever they wanted to minimize the risk.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 10:32 pm to BurnsideStyle
Joe Alleva that's why... LSU athletics will always go the cheap route with this jackass as AD
Posted on 5/18/17 at 10:34 pm to BurnsideStyle
Posted on 5/18/17 at 10:35 pm to BurnsideStyle
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The odds of him being a better salesperson are higher also.
What makes you say this?
If he's been cheating, there is no way to know how good of a sales person he is.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 10:38 pm to BurnsideStyle
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If everyone wants him gone why would we?
IMHO you're confusing "want him gone" with "thinks he's gone".
Freeze didn't do much with that recruiting talent at the end of the day. I don't think most consider him a coach that folks should be scared of.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 10:39 pm to BurnsideStyle
If it softens the NCAA blow you fire him. If not, don't forget you're ole miss. He's the closest thing to your goat in 50 years
Posted on 5/18/17 at 10:57 pm to BurnsideStyle
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I live on planet WAOM
That is sad enough.
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we don't have the luxury of firing a proven winner or worse, a national championship winning coach like LSU. You can roll the dice and recover pretty quickly from O if it doesn't work out but that is not the case with us.
Then what is the rationale for hanging on to a coach that hasn't delivered any championships? We can discuss Orgeron at another time. Why hang on to Freeze for another year? The sanctions aren't going to go away. If anything, the longer it lingers the worse the eventual result.
"If it were done, when 'tis done better it is done, 'twere well it were done quickly."
Posted on 5/18/17 at 11:01 pm to tigerbait2010
If you keep him, can he ever possibly rebuild his image (as well as the school's) and pull in great recruits again without cheating? I just dont see it. The recruiting against him would be pretty extreme, this is the SEC afterall.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 11:08 pm to BurnsideStyle
This is a tough question to answer until the NCAA hands down its punishement. If it's a two year bowl ban and several scholarships why not keep him. No other decent coach is going to come to ole miss with them on probation. Now if they show cause and basically tell u to get rid of him , you do it. No sense in pissing them off more than you already have
Posted on 5/18/17 at 11:10 pm to BurnsideStyle
Your not the only one wondering about that .
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