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re: Why is Tennessee so important to the SEC?

Posted on 7/22/16 at 8:58 pm to
Posted by Mister Tee
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Posted on 7/22/16 at 8:58 pm to
My grandad was absolutely shocked when Fulmer was fired.

I still don't know what happened in Knoxville, but he was in disbelief.

He was around in Auburn in the 50's and 60's and saw a whole lot of "change" in his time...but this change really rocked his SEC football world that day (mid 2000's).

Why did that coaching change mean so much?
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 7/22/16 at 8:59 pm to
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I see Tennessee as a has-been.


And you see Auburn as what? Tennessee has more wins, SEC Championships, National Championships than Auburn (And the other SEC teams outside of Alabama)and they are on their way back, it would appear.

CoachCrisp is right. You will gain more respect for history, the older you get.

John Wayne was great back in the day. Is he just a has been? (be veeeery careful how you answer that Tee.)
Posted by roadGator
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Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:00 pm to
Who?
Posted by TouchdownTony
Central Alabama
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:02 pm to
Because people in your age group aren't the only ones that matter despite your generations opinion that life didn't exist before u.

These things go in cycles. Just like your generation believes florida was always good, for only about one third of their history have they not been in the cellar. Conversely, for one third of Tennessee's history, their only loss was to Bama a lot of seasons.
This post was edited on 7/22/16 at 9:07 pm
Posted by Mister Tee
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Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:05 pm to
And you see Georgia as what, exactly?

Feel free to add your own accomplishments over the years into this particular conversation.

How is Mark Richt doing these days with his infinity of SEC and National Championships at the University of Georgia?

Posted by Sid E Walker
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Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:08 pm to
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Because people in your age group aren't the only ones that matter despite your generations opinion that life didn't exist before u.

This line of thinking seems to be confined to all Aubs and a few LSU folks. If it happened before they were born, it doesn't matter.
Posted by deathlock
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:10 pm to
Tennessee exists to be embarrassed by Florida every year.
Posted by TideTurf
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:11 pm to
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We never play Tennessee.

Remind me of a great game that we played.


1985 Tennessee upset Auburn. Bo took himself out of the game.
Posted by CRDNLSCHMCPSN11
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:13 pm to
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Remind me of a great game that we played.


1997 SEC title game.
Posted by Mister Tee
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Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:14 pm to
John Wayne was a serial killer in the 70's if I recall correctly.

What are you getting at? How is that great?
Posted by Prof
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Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:15 pm to
quote:

My grandad was absolutely shocked when Fulmer was fired.

I still don't know what happened in Knoxville, but he was in disbelief.

He was around in Auburn in the 50's and 60's and saw a whole lot of "change" in his time...but this change really rocked his SEC football world that day (mid 2000's).

Why did that coaching change mean so much?


Fulmer was a great coach but he made a poor hire at OC and things fell apart. I am one of the few that thought we should give him time to fix it. However, fans were demanding a fix and there had always been a powerful contingent that wanted Fulmer gone from the start because they were upset that Majors was fired.

Hamilton made the mistake of forcing Fulmer out without a secure coach to replace him (the winningest active coach at the time forced out and replaced by something shiny and new and oh did we pay dearly). He knew from the start that Kiffin would leave if the USC job came open and hired him anyway and did so without a buy out. When Kiffin bolted Hamilton compounded his frickups by hiring Dooley.

Kiffin's recruits vanished. They were low character guys and none of them managed to stay for any amount of time -- an entire class was lost. Dooley, OTOH, couldn't recruit for shite but he did have some magic when it came to recruiting WRs.

We had a hodgepodge team that had had three different coaches in three years and countless position coaches as well as OC's and DC's. Dooley then made the most disastrous decision in CFB - he didn't recruit a single lineman. We were the only team in all of CFB that went a year without recruiting linemen.

By the time CBJ arrived we were in complete meltdown. He managed to flip the roster in an amazing amount of time and the time for that talent to shine is now. We are set for this year and the next as most of the talent powering this team are still sophomores.
This post was edited on 7/22/16 at 9:25 pm
Posted by UKWildcats
Lexington, KY
Member since Mar 2015
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Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:23 pm to
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John Wayne was a serial killer in the 70's if I recall correctly.

What are you getting at? How is that great?

Good Lord are you that oblivious?

John Wayne


John Wayne Gacy



Auburn's history department doing strong work I see.
This post was edited on 7/22/16 at 9:24 pm
Posted by Mister Tee
On the Lake
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:24 pm to
Why not get Fulmer back then?

Kansas State and Wisconsin did with great results.
Posted by Mister Tee
On the Lake
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Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:31 pm to
Why did he turn into a clown in his later years? I know drugs were pretty heavy back then, but how do you turn from a cowboy into a clown in that time-frame.

We (as a society) aren't that great now-a-days, but, you have to admit, we don't do the cowboy/clown thing these days.

You old people are weird.
Posted by Sid E Walker
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Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:34 pm to
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Why did he turn into a clown in his later years? I know drugs were pretty heavy back then, but how do you turn from a cowboy into a clown in that time-frame.

We (as a society) aren't that great now-a-days, but, you have to admit, we don't do the cowboy/clown thing these days.

You old people are weird.

It's probably just as well that you don't trifle with history.
Posted by Prof
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:38 pm to
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Why not get Fulmer back then?

Kansas State and Wisconsin did with great results


It would never happen -- water under the bridge. Everyone is separated now. Cutcliffe at Duke, Chavis at ATM, and Sanders at FSU just to name a few. That said, I think (and hope) that Fulmer will one day be our AD. It's a position we all want him at. Butch Jones managed the impossible: he got Fulmer and Majors to make a sort of peace.

It's ironic but the outsider, a man from a podunk town in Michigan, has healed a lot of internal wounds in our program. So much of our AD was bleeding internally - grudges and hurt feelings everywhere, VFLs disconnected from the program and feeling isolated. Yet now, over 600 VFLs are going to attend TSiO. These things were impossible just a few years ago and the conflicts were damaging the program.

If nothing else, CBJ has healed a lot of internal wounds and managed to put us on a path to success. What he's done on and off the field is much larger than he's given credit for. We'll see how far he can take this team this year and next as a HC but even if he proves to be incapable of taking us to the next level he's put us in the position where someone else can.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:41 pm to
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1985 Tennessee upset Auburn. Bo took himself out of the game.



Made Bo's arse quit
Posted by Mister Tee
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Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:46 pm to
Fulmer at AD would command a lot of respect. People are amazingly adaptable given decades of experience. Everyone has their ups and downs. I think he would be great for the University of Tennessee in that particular role.
Posted by Prof
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:54 pm to
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Fulmer at AD would command a lot of respect. People are amazingly adaptable given decades of experience. Everyone has their ups and downs. I think he would be great for the University of Tennessee in that particular role.


I do too. Right now, he's helping ETSU build their football program from scratch (they had cancelled football but changed their minds). He's doing an outstanding job in an advisory role. He understands Tennessee like Summitt did and while Hart has done some good things he's tone deaf to some of things that matter to us.
Posted by themicah85
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Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:56 pm to
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