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Why is LSU's S&C coach getting a pass?
Posted on 9/20/17 at 1:22 am
Posted on 9/20/17 at 1:22 am
In all the wailing and gnashing of teeth about O, Grimes and Canada; I don't see a lot of venom spewed Moffitt's way. For years now, LSUs DL has been susceptible to a physical OL. And we've seen what the OL has looked like the last few seasons. When MSU pushes you around some questions need to be asked. It's been a while since LSU has had someone on the interior DL that was a physical presence.
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Posted on 9/20/17 at 1:24 am to SoFla Tideroller
I got destroyed for saying this on tiger rant so idk
Posted on 9/20/17 at 1:33 am to SoFla Tideroller
they have become a cupcake D.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 1:38 am to SoFla Tideroller
Problem wasn't strength or conditioning against Miss St, it was lack of respect and they made us pay for not taking them seriously
Posted on 9/20/17 at 1:56 am to burke985
Keep your head buried in the sand. There was a noticeable difference in power and explosion in the trenches between the two teams. If there was a lack of respect, it was manifested in June and July in the weight room.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 2:16 am to SoFla Tideroller
Moffitt has been at LSU since 2000. I don't think anyone questioned the strength of his line when we were pretty good. It's not like he suddenly forgot how to run his s&c program.
The real problem is lack of scholarship players along the lines on both sides of the ball right now. We haven't recruited enough in recent years to keep up with players leaving early, transfers, etc. Add the suspenions and injuries this year and we're struggling to field a competent group, especially on the dline.
And the talent level on the dline is not what it used to be. Only one real stud in Lawrence and he is out with an injury. Gone are the days of rotating 6-8 dlineman.
Not sure why Grimes is still around. We've struggled since day one with him as oline coach. Rack up tons of rushing yards against weaker defenses, but can't handle the good ones. And don't ask them to pass protect.
The real problem is lack of scholarship players along the lines on both sides of the ball right now. We haven't recruited enough in recent years to keep up with players leaving early, transfers, etc. Add the suspenions and injuries this year and we're struggling to field a competent group, especially on the dline.
And the talent level on the dline is not what it used to be. Only one real stud in Lawrence and he is out with an injury. Gone are the days of rotating 6-8 dlineman.
Not sure why Grimes is still around. We've struggled since day one with him as oline coach. Rack up tons of rushing yards against weaker defenses, but can't handle the good ones. And don't ask them to pass protect.
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 3:35 am
Posted on 9/20/17 at 3:02 am to SoFla Tideroller
People have been blaming him for a long time. I think it's a combination of weaker, smaller players being recruited and Moffitt emphasizing speed and cardio more than strength.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 3:57 am to JustSmokin
quote:My #1 complaint from the last few years, not just recently.
Not sure why Grimes is still around. We've struggled since day one with him as oline coach. Rack up tons of rushing yards against weaker defenses, but can't handle the good ones. And don't ask them to pass protect.
Raised huge ???? about O when he retained this incompetent individual.
Also, hired another Ex-QB to coach WR's (DC 2.0) and an inexperienced Graduate Assistant to coach OLB's.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 6:00 am to burke985
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Problem wasn't strength or conditioning against Miss St, it was lack of respect and they made us pay for not taking them seriously
Posted on 9/20/17 at 6:12 am to SoFla Tideroller
A good article on Dandy Don
Not sure if you will share the above information, but what many don't realize is Les Miles was a subpar recruiter when it came to recruiting the offensive line. I seemed to remember you posting an article with an NFL scout about how Les Miles would recruit O-Linemen from the outside-in instead of the inside-out and that it would catch up with them especially since he converted so many Tackles to Guards and vice versa which was a conflict for their natural position. Plus, many forget we lost a lot of talent to the Draft, i.e. LF, Jamal Adams, Duke Riley, Godchaux, T. White, Dupre, and Pocic to name a few. [ *We also had several O-linemen leave the program during the offseason and are dealing with injuries to two key D-linemen.] You combine all that with the fact that LSU is one of the youngest teams in the entire NCAA and has already played 20 freshmen, it's not surprising that they lost to a really good Miss St. Team. Just like many, I don't like the fact that we shot ourselves in the foot with the undisciplined football, poor tackling/execution, dropped passes and bonehead penalties. But all of that can be corrected. Bottom line is: this is a very young but talented team with a new coach and OC. It won't be pretty at times, but it will get better! Thanks for reading my message, Scott. Take Care!
Not sure if you will share the above information, but what many don't realize is Les Miles was a subpar recruiter when it came to recruiting the offensive line. I seemed to remember you posting an article with an NFL scout about how Les Miles would recruit O-Linemen from the outside-in instead of the inside-out and that it would catch up with them especially since he converted so many Tackles to Guards and vice versa which was a conflict for their natural position. Plus, many forget we lost a lot of talent to the Draft, i.e. LF, Jamal Adams, Duke Riley, Godchaux, T. White, Dupre, and Pocic to name a few. [ *We also had several O-linemen leave the program during the offseason and are dealing with injuries to two key D-linemen.] You combine all that with the fact that LSU is one of the youngest teams in the entire NCAA and has already played 20 freshmen, it's not surprising that they lost to a really good Miss St. Team. Just like many, I don't like the fact that we shot ourselves in the foot with the undisciplined football, poor tackling/execution, dropped passes and bonehead penalties. But all of that can be corrected. Bottom line is: this is a very young but talented team with a new coach and OC. It won't be pretty at times, but it will get better! Thanks for reading my message, Scott. Take Care!
Posted on 9/20/17 at 7:33 am to LCTFAN
Not sure it was so much strength as it was poor technique and lack of effort. IN the trenches MSU was faster off the ball and beat them to the punch. LSU was going through the motions and just thought they could show up and win.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 7:46 am to LCTFAN
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A good article on Dandy Don
Not sure if you will share the above information, but what many don't realize is Les Miles was a subpar recruiter when it came to recruiting the offensive line. I seemed to remember you posting an article with an NFL scout about how Les Miles would recruit O-Linemen from the outside-in instead of the inside-out and that it would catch up with them especially since he converted so many Tackles to Guards and vice versa which was a conflict for their natural position. Plus, many forget we lost a lot of talent to the Draft, i.e. LF, Jamal Adams, Duke Riley, Godchaux, T. White, Dupre, and Pocic to name a few. [ *We also had several O-linemen leave the program during the offseason and are dealing with injuries to two key D-linemen.] You combine all that with the fact that LSU is one of the youngest teams in the entire NCAA and has already played 20 freshmen, it's not surprising that they lost to a really good Miss St. Team. Just like many, I don't like the fact that we shot ourselves in the foot with the undisciplined football, poor tackling/execution, dropped passes and bonehead penalties. But all of that can be corrected. Bottom line is: this is a very young but talented team with a new coach and OC. It won't be pretty at times, but it will get better! Thanks for reading my message, Scott. Take Care!
It is the opposite. We always recruited guards and put them at tackle. Les miles didnt want to bulk up the linemen. He wanted them leaner and faster. They had a discussion with moffit about that, this summer. Coach O is changing that. Everything takes time.
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 7:47 am
Posted on 9/20/17 at 8:01 am to SoFla Tideroller
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we've seen what the OL has looked like the last few seasons.
Only looked shitty against bama, really. But saban knew to put 11 in the box against miles, so that helped too
Posted on 9/20/17 at 8:25 am to burke985
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Problem wasn't strength or conditioning against Miss St, it was lack of respect and they made us pay for not taking them seriously
You're a moron. LSU's offense did nothing because it got whipped on the line. LSU's defense wore down and got whipped on the line because it was on the field so much.
If LSU's offensive line is going to be that bad, it will cause problems for the defense, too. LSU lacks offensive line depth, but it has enough to field a good starting five. If they're getting whipped up front, it's because of the lack of strength and conditioning.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 8:34 am to JustSmokin
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Moffitt has been at LSU since 2000. I don't think anyone questioned the strength of his line when we were pretty good. It's not like he suddenly forgot how to run his s&c program.
Because nothing has changed in the last 17 years in strength and conditioning.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 8:35 am to JCinBAMA
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they have become a cupcake D.
You mean the same cupcake D that had the score tied at 0-0 going into the 4th last year? Oh okay, I got ya!
Yes, we need to look at our strength coach but he won't be touched, period!
Posted on 9/20/17 at 8:49 am to JustSmokin
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Moffitt has been at LSU since 2000. I don't think anyone questioned the strength of his line when we were pretty good. It's not like he suddenly forgot how to run his s&c program.
Correct, he didn't suddenly forget, but the coach who hired him moved on. S&C coaches adjust accordingly to what the HMFIC wants.
Moffit arrived in 2000. The results were not instant. Look at the LSU players from 2003 - 2007, compare them to what Alabama's players look like now. You may find the only difference is the color of the uniforms.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 9:05 am to rmnldr
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I think it's a combination of weaker, smaller players being recruited and Moffitt emphasizing speed and cardio more than strength.
I think youre onto something here. It would make sense since LSU D has always been able to shut down mobile QBs but cant handle power teams and, I hate using them as an example but it works here, Alabama has trouble with mobile QBs but shuts down the power teams.
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 9:06 am
Posted on 9/20/17 at 9:12 am to D500MAG
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Correct, he didn't suddenly forget, but the coach who hired him moved on. S&C coaches adjust accordingly to what the HMFIC wants.
And that coach tried to get Moffit at Alabama. The current S&C coach at Alabama is a Moffit disciple.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 9:12 am to nola000
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I think youre onto something here. It would make sense since LSU D has always been able to shut down mobile QBs but cant handle power teams and, I hate using them as an example but it works here, Alabama has trouble with mobile QBs but shuts down the power teams.
Ha ha yea, yall shut down Fitz this year and Dak his jr year ... they ate yall up while bama slammed the door on both of them. The only mobile QB yall shut down was Lamar Jackson which was impressive but lets not act like yall eat spread offenses up.
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