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re: Why is it hard to win big at Texas AM?
Posted on 5/26/17 at 8:59 am to phil4bama
Posted on 5/26/17 at 8:59 am to phil4bama
quote:As a member of an opposing fanbase, I would hate to see that.
If A&M was smart, they'd cut a check to Sumlin to go away and back the truck up for McIntyre at Colorado.
I think he's an excellent coach and it will show when he gets to the right place/situation, which A&M damn well might be.
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Posted on 5/26/17 at 9:58 am to BamaNatureBoy
Too many cum jars lying around
Posted on 5/26/17 at 10:15 am to Dallasgrowl
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I thought Mike Sherman was doing a great job of incrementally putting a&m in a position to compete nationally. Sumlin benefitted greatly early on with what Sherman left him.
this is true, w/o question. at least on the offense; Sumlin inherited an incredible amount of offensive talent. great OL, WR's RB's; the total package. just look at the numbers drafted.
the aggies fired him and didn't continue with the improvement. Sumlin should have played SEC type football with that great offense and concentrated on recruiting and coaching a defense.
if the Aggies ever make the right hire as HC they'll win big.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 10:48 am to LSU GrandDad
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if the Aggies ever make the right hire as HC they'll win big.
Yep. That's not a slam on Sumlin. Great coaches just don't come around that often.
I don't think A&M unique student culture is enough of a draw to attract players in and of itself. It might actually be a slight disadvantage. But it's a big university with everything a university has to offer and it's just a matter of time.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 11:25 am to BamaNatureBoy
I am feeling good this morning so I will actually answer the question:
Our problem is timing.
We held off too long growing the school beyond cadets, and when we finally did that we had some success in the 1970s and 1980s.
But that success came right as Texas was using the NCAA as its personal wrath of God, which is how SMU got the only death penalty ever. We wanted to avoid that fate so we ran off Jackie which probably screwed up our chance at a modern national title.
During the RC years we got complacent. He wasn't the greatest coach ever, but he was able to ride Jackie's momentum through the 1990s. With that complacency we got way behind in the facilities, which allowed a Mack Brown and a Bob Stoops to walk in and eat our lunch on the recruiting trail. We tried to reverse that situation by paying big bucks to steal Fran, but by that point it was too little too late and we were locked into a Big 12 South meat grinder that made it hard to bring in top college coaching talent (hence the Sherman hire).
Sherman was a better talent scout than we could have imagined, but he was stubborn about hiring a OC and moving to the SEC. We fired him at the right time and our stars aligned for a SEC move, but then fricking Hurricane Isaac pushed back our first game against Louisana Tech and instead our first game was against Florida. Sumlin didn't know what he had with JFF at the time (because we didn't beat Lousiana Tech to show him the game before) so he was conservative with JFF and we lost the UF game which ended up being the loss that kept us from a winnable SEC Title game (we would have never beaten Chavis).
In the years since we have been in a SEC with the greatest coach of all time going into dynasty mode, an event which has decimated the coaching ranks across the conference. Plus after 2012 a lot of great assistant coaches left our sidelines before they were ready for the big job (Kliff Kingsbury the obvious example) and we haven't been able to replace the coaching talent lost that offseason since then.
With that all said, we have had some luck with timing recently- we used the Longhorn Network as a cover to come to the SEC by ourselves, we upgraded our facilities before oil dropped from $100 a barrel, and we haven't gone crazy hiring new head coaches in a vain attempt to beat the GOAT.
When Nick retires we are in a good position in the SEC overall, but it will take some good timing that is out of our hands (something like Chip Kelly wanting back into the college game the second we have an opening, or Tom Herman being a fraud) because we aren't the kind of program that can write our own ticket.
tl:dr - timing is everything
Our problem is timing.
We held off too long growing the school beyond cadets, and when we finally did that we had some success in the 1970s and 1980s.
But that success came right as Texas was using the NCAA as its personal wrath of God, which is how SMU got the only death penalty ever. We wanted to avoid that fate so we ran off Jackie which probably screwed up our chance at a modern national title.
During the RC years we got complacent. He wasn't the greatest coach ever, but he was able to ride Jackie's momentum through the 1990s. With that complacency we got way behind in the facilities, which allowed a Mack Brown and a Bob Stoops to walk in and eat our lunch on the recruiting trail. We tried to reverse that situation by paying big bucks to steal Fran, but by that point it was too little too late and we were locked into a Big 12 South meat grinder that made it hard to bring in top college coaching talent (hence the Sherman hire).
Sherman was a better talent scout than we could have imagined, but he was stubborn about hiring a OC and moving to the SEC. We fired him at the right time and our stars aligned for a SEC move, but then fricking Hurricane Isaac pushed back our first game against Louisana Tech and instead our first game was against Florida. Sumlin didn't know what he had with JFF at the time (because we didn't beat Lousiana Tech to show him the game before) so he was conservative with JFF and we lost the UF game which ended up being the loss that kept us from a winnable SEC Title game (we would have never beaten Chavis).
In the years since we have been in a SEC with the greatest coach of all time going into dynasty mode, an event which has decimated the coaching ranks across the conference. Plus after 2012 a lot of great assistant coaches left our sidelines before they were ready for the big job (Kliff Kingsbury the obvious example) and we haven't been able to replace the coaching talent lost that offseason since then.
With that all said, we have had some luck with timing recently- we used the Longhorn Network as a cover to come to the SEC by ourselves, we upgraded our facilities before oil dropped from $100 a barrel, and we haven't gone crazy hiring new head coaches in a vain attempt to beat the GOAT.
When Nick retires we are in a good position in the SEC overall, but it will take some good timing that is out of our hands (something like Chip Kelly wanting back into the college game the second we have an opening, or Tom Herman being a fraud) because we aren't the kind of program that can write our own ticket.
tl:dr - timing is everything
This post was edited on 5/26/17 at 11:27 am
Posted on 5/26/17 at 11:42 am to BamaNatureBoy
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Why is it hard to win big at Texas AM?
why do you care is the better question.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 11:49 am to Manzielathon
The giant bulging wallets don't help either.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 12:36 pm to cardboardboxer
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we aren't the kind of program that can write our own ticket.
no program is. NONE. despite what some of them think.
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timing is everything
absolutely correct. that's why LSU didn't get Jimbo and eventually signed Orgeron. hiring a HC requires two things; luck and luck.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 12:39 pm to LSU GrandDad
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no program is. NONE. despite what some of them think.
True, but some have a much larger margin for error than others.
We gave ourselves a window via the SEC move to change our place in the pecking order but the Big 12 GOR clock is ticking and we need some things to work out for us to not waste the opportunity.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 12:53 pm to cardboardboxer
I'd lean heavily towards leadership vs timing, but overall that's a pretty solid/honest veal here by cardboardboxer
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