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Why does CFP weight matchups based on rankings at time of game?

Posted on 11/2/15 at 10:08 am
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 11/2/15 at 10:08 am
Alabama gets much more credit for blowing out a top 10 Georgia than Florida does for blowing out a 5-2 Georgia.

Michigan State beat a mediocre Oregon team but it'll be treated like a victory over TCU.

What would it take for the committee to be scrapped and us to go back to BCS style rankings?
Posted by geauxnavybeatbama
Member since Jul 2013
25134 posts
Posted on 11/2/15 at 10:09 am to
chubb and michel were healthy for the bama game while not for the florida game. you dont think that should be considered?

also i read that they dont look at the ap poll so i dont know where you are getting info about them looking at rankings from time of play.
This post was edited on 11/2/15 at 10:12 am
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
70067 posts
Posted on 11/2/15 at 10:10 am to
There is no logical reason for Alabama to be ranked ahead of Florida based on the resume to this point in the season. But the media's rebuttal will simply be "But it's Alabama." And they will repeat it until you stop challenging it because they are lazy thinkers at best or outright shills at worst.
Posted by joshnorris14
Florida
Member since Jan 2009
45194 posts
Posted on 11/2/15 at 10:12 am to
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chubb and michel were healthy for the bama game while not for the florida game. you dont think that should be considered?


I get that, but Georgia's problem isn't with their RBs, they have terrible QB and WR play.

Would Georgia have done a bit better with Chubb? Certainly. Would it have mattered? No
Posted by Patton
Principality of Sealand
Member since Apr 2011
32647 posts
Posted on 11/2/15 at 10:14 am to
People who complain about rankings mid way through the season are the worst. Boo hoo. All that matters is how teams are ranked after the conference championship game. This thread will be completely irrelevant once LSU loses this weekend, or if Alabama doesn't win.
Posted by Roses of Crimson
Sweet home Ala-bam
Member since Nov 2014
1631 posts
Posted on 11/2/15 at 10:16 am to
I think they do the opposite. It's a week by week analysis of the teams. Long even said as much last year. Overall record is important yes but where they differ from the BCS is how did that team look this week. The problem with this is the same thing everybody was so happy about. It doesn't start until November. Too many games have been played by that time. Remember how they kept shuffling the top 4 towards the end of the season last year. Bama would be 4 then 2 then back to 4 then to 1. Just based on that week. At the end of the day just get in that top 4 and it works itself out. There is no way to do it right with 4 teams and 5 P5 conferences. You gotta go to 8 or 10.

All conference champs
3-5 at large teams
You can't just have conference champs because all conferences aren't created equally. It's why basketball has at-larges.

What the college football pundits have to understand is you either have a playoff or don't have one. There is no way to make it somewhere in the middle and be prudent for all deserving teams.
Posted by demtigers73
Coastal Club
Member since Aug 2014
5520 posts
Posted on 11/2/15 at 10:17 am to
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This thread will be completely irrelevant once LSU beats Alabama arse this weekend!


FIFY hoss!
Posted by MontyFranklyn
T-Town
Member since Jan 2012
23830 posts
Posted on 11/2/15 at 10:21 am to
quote:

There is no logical reason for Alabama to be ranked ahead of Florida based on the resume to this point in the season. But the media's rebuttal will simply be "But it's Alabama." And they will repeat it until you stop challenging it because they are lazy thinkers at best or outright shills at worst.
Well lets take this into consideration:

As the LSU poster stated above, Bama played Georgia in Athens with Georgia being full strength

Bama lost to Ole Miss at home by 6 while turning the ball over 5 times. Florida blew Ole Miss out with the Rebs turning it over themselves.

The Tennessee game is a wash, but Bama played Tennessee with the Vols coming off a bye.

Posted by MontyFranklyn
T-Town
Member since Jan 2012
23830 posts
Posted on 11/2/15 at 10:26 am to
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I get that, but Georgia's problem isn't with their RBs, they have terrible QB and WR play.

Would Georgia have done a bit better with Chubb? Certainly. Would it have mattered? No

With Chubb Georgia beats Florida very similar to the way LSU did. Georgia would be a shoe in for Atlanta.
Posted by ZBeaux10
Prairieville
Member since Jul 2015
602 posts
Posted on 11/2/15 at 10:33 am to
Did Bama beat a better Georgia team than Florida? Sure. Georgia is better with Chubb and Michel healthy. But was Georgia really that good of a team with both of those guys? Terrible QB and WRs. Bad defense. They both beat Georgia badly so that shouldn't matter.

However, Florida's one loss is much better than Bama's one loss. On the road in Death Valley against a top 4 team is a better loss than at home to a pretty good Ole Miss.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 11/2/15 at 10:51 am to
They definitely shouldn't consider the teams ranked at the time they played. The committee ranks the top 10.. preseason media rankings should have no bearing.

They were predicting Auburn to win the SEC
Posted by bigDgator
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2008
41133 posts
Posted on 11/2/15 at 11:15 am to
None of it really matters at this point. UF will be in the playoff if we win out.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84605 posts
Posted on 11/2/15 at 11:23 am to
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Bama lost to Ole Miss at home by 6 while turning the ball over 5 times. Florida blew Ole Miss out with the Rebs turning it over themselves.


On what planet does this matter?

The ability to create turnovers and/or not turn the ball over yourself is a hallmark of a great team.

Only in the minds of Alabama fans does turning it over 5 times and losing mean you are the better team.
Posted by GeauxToBed
Covington, LA
Member since Mar 2015
6113 posts
Posted on 11/2/15 at 11:25 am to
The only good thing about the current system is that it entails four teams as opposed to two.

As far as methodology for selecting teams for inclusion in each respective system, the BCS was infinitely better than the selection committee.
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
15174 posts
Posted on 11/2/15 at 11:26 am to
quote:

Alabama gets much more credit for blowing out a top 10 Georgia than Florida does for blowing out a 5-2 Georgia.


- You played an injury ravaged UGA.
- Alabama played a full powered UGA.

Don't let these facts stop your agenda
Posted by Gatorbait2008
Member since Aug 2015
22953 posts
Posted on 11/2/15 at 11:37 am to
Injury ramped? So Florida isn't missing a five star lber and put starting Qb? If we had Grier we beat Georgia by 40...
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 11/2/15 at 11:40 am to
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They definitely shouldn't consider the teams ranked at the time they played
i disagree. it definitely should be in the equation. aside from injuries, it is totally different playing the #3 team as opposed to the #17 team. teams treat the rankings totally different, even if they're not supposed to.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 11/2/15 at 3:34 pm to
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i disagree. it definitely should be in the equation. aside from injuries, it is totally different playing the #3 team as opposed to the #17 team. teams treat the rankings totally different, even if they're not supposed to.


highly ranked to start the season is in no way relevant

see: auburn
Posted by CCTider
Member since Dec 2014
24082 posts
Posted on 11/2/15 at 4:07 pm to
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Why does CFP weight matchups based on rankings at time of game?
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Bama lost to Ole Miss at home by 6 while turning the ball over 5 times. Florida blew Ole Miss out with the Rebs turning it over themselves.


On what planet does this matter?

The ability to create turnovers and/or not turn the ball over yourself is a hallmark of a great team.

Only in the minds of Alabama fans does turning it over 5 times and losing mean you are the better team.





For someone claiming Stanford, even with the LSU sig, you're not very bright. We lost. But we aren't better because we turned it over and only lost by 6. We are better because we are better and had an incredibly shitty game. It happens. It may cost us a playoff spot. I think most Bama fans are trying to say that even though we played that badly, we still only lost by 6. It was easily the worst regular season performance we've had under a Saban team (since 08, in a regular season game). Yet, we could have won it, and might have if not for the helmet TD. But shite happens in football.

But if you really can't see the difference between Bama/Ole Miss right now, then you're going to be very disappointed Saturday.
This post was edited on 11/2/15 at 4:10 pm
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 11/2/15 at 4:14 pm to
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Why does CFP weight matchups based on rankings at time of game?


If they do, they shouldn't. Just look at Mississippi State last year. They skyrocketed from unranked to #1 in three weeks by beating LSU, Texas A&M and Auburn. Those teams were ranked in the top 10 when MSU played them, so they got a big boost from winning those games, but in reality, all they did was beat three 8-5 teams. This resulted in their being highly overranked and it showed late in the season when they lost three of their last four games.

However, I do think I read in a link someone posted about the committee's selection process that committee members are required to "discredit" any poll that comes out with rankings before games have been played, so it would seem that AP and Coaches' polls would be discredited.
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