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Why does Arkansas have such an incredible history of successful coaches?

Posted on 8/18/15 at 8:25 am
Posted by Crimson Legend
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Posted on 8/18/15 at 8:25 am
Football is no bigger there than any other state in the Deep South. Why have so many great coaches come from there, while Mississippi and Louisiana have produced so many great players but not so many great coaches?

I am wondering if there is some geographical/social influence, or if this is just the result of a small sample size lacking statistical significance resulting in an unrepresentative distribution.
Posted by skirpnasty
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Posted on 8/18/15 at 8:36 am to
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Football is no bigger there than any other state in the Deep South. Why have so many great coaches come from there, while Mississippi and Louisiana have produced so many great players but not so many great coaches?



More like Texas HS ball than MS. They adopted a pass game earlier, and have very competitive large schools to do so. Up until about 10-20 years ago pretty much every team in MS was running the ball 80% of the downs. Which obviously isn't condussive to solid coaching development.

IMO the same reason you don't see a lot of good QB's out of MS, you have to go back to guys like McNair and Favre and even they weren't recruited highly because they didn't begin to develop until college. I would say AL had the same trend to an extent, but you have larger cities so there are more big time schools that were outliers.

Obviously that is changing. I would still recruit QB's OOS, but I think that probably begins to change in the next few years. But yeah, look at the players who've made it from MS in the last 25 years. You will see a trend, almost all of them are stout defenders. LB's and DT's mostly, sprinkled in with some DB's. Very few WR's/QB's. WR is a little easier because they play both ways in most cases, so the development isn't such a big deal.
This post was edited on 8/18/15 at 8:38 am
Posted by sjmabry
Texas
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Posted on 8/18/15 at 8:36 am to
+/- two standard deviations?
Posted by Oizers
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Posted on 8/18/15 at 8:37 am to
Stepping Stone U
Posted by Crimson Legend
Mount St Gumpus
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Posted on 8/18/15 at 8:39 am to
I'm talking about the state of Arkansas, not the University of Arkansas.
Posted by cardboardboxer
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Posted on 8/18/15 at 8:39 am to
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More like Texas HS ball than MS. They adopted a pass game earlier, and have very competitive large schools to do so. Up until about 10-20 years ago pretty much every team in MS was running the ball 80% of the downs. Which obviously isn't condussive to solid coaching development.

IMO the same reason you don't see a lot of good QB's out of MS, you have to go back to guys like McNair and Favre and even they weren't recruited highly because they didn't begin to develop until college. I would say AL had the same trend to an extent, but you have larger cities so there are more big time schools that were outliers.

Obviously that is changing. I would still recruit QB's OOS, but I think that probably begins to change in the next few years. But yeah, look at the players who've made it from MS in the last 25 years. You will see a trend, almost all of them are stout defenders. LB's and DT's mostly, sprinkled in with some DB's. Very few WR's/QB's. WR is a little easier because they play both ways in most cases, so the development isn't such a big deal.


Wow, this is a great post.
Posted by Crimson Legend
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Posted on 8/18/15 at 8:41 am to
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Wow, this is a great post.


From Skirp, no less. People surprise you sometimes.
Posted by I Ham That I Ham
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Posted on 8/18/15 at 8:44 am to
Because we're better than the rest of you
Posted by GeorgeReymond
Buckhead
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Posted on 8/18/15 at 8:45 am to
From the top of my head

Barry Switzer (my relative)
Bear Bryant
Jimmy Johnson
Ken Hatfield
Fred Akers
Gus Malzahn
Charlie Strong
Houston Nutt
Tommy Tuberville


This post was edited on 8/18/15 at 8:53 am
Posted by Crimson Legend
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Posted on 8/18/15 at 8:46 am to
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Because we're better than the rest of you


Let's not go overboard - you also gave us the Clintons and Wal-mart.
Posted by NCrawler
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Posted on 8/18/15 at 8:50 am to
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Let's not go overboard - you also gave us the Clintons and Wal-mart.


Even better than anything else, we also have this: Wilson Combat. Best Custom Firearms in the country.
Posted by Jon Ham
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 8/18/15 at 8:55 am to
People in Arkansas are bred to work hard, play outside, and socialize with a diverse group of people. We also tend to be pretty smart for redneck folk.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 8/18/15 at 8:59 am to
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Football is no bigger there than any other state in the Deep South. Why have so many great coaches come from there, while Mississippi and Louisiana have produced so many great players but not so many great coaches?

the better question is how the hell has West Virginia produced:
Nick Saban
Jimbo Fisher
Jim Grobe
Rich Rodriguez
Doc Holliday
Posted by Pygthagorean Theorem
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 8/18/15 at 9:02 am to
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From the top of my head

Barry Switzer (my relative)
Bear Bryant
Jimmy Johnson
Ken Hatfield
Fred Akers
Gus Malzahn
Charlie Strong
Houston Nutt
Tommy Tuberville





Also, included by coming through the UA at some point are Frank Broyles, Lou Holtz, Butch Davis, Pete Carroll, Johnny Majors
Posted by ForeverLSU02
Albany
Member since Jun 2007
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Posted on 8/18/15 at 9:03 am to
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Why does Arkansas have such an incredible history of successful coaches?
Genetics
Posted by LSU FREAK
Meridian, Ms
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 8/18/15 at 9:05 am to
You can either coach football or sell rocks on the side of the road, not much else to do.
Posted by dcbl
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Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 8/18/15 at 9:07 am to
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Let's not go overboard - you also gave us the Clintons and Wal-mart.


What? you don't like saving money?

And Bill is alright, hell, he would be a conservative by today's standards...

Hillary? That bitch is from Illinois
Posted by dcbl
Good guys wear white hats.
Member since Sep 2013
29645 posts
Posted on 8/18/15 at 9:10 am to
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the better question is how the hell has West Virginia produced:
Nick Saban
Jimbo Fisher
Jim Grobe
Rich Rodriguez
Doc Holliday



so Arkansas is a hekkuva lot like West Virginia, interesting...

Mississippi folks will be happy about this!
Posted by 14caratgoldjones
Uniontown, Al
Member since Aug 2009
1316 posts
Posted on 8/18/15 at 9:11 am to
They,re the unathletic kid who wanted so badly to make it on the field but genetics just wouldn't allow it. Being so passionate and wanting something so badly the next best thing was to put down the helmet and begin a career of coaching others that have the athletic talent that you never had. I kid, I Kid.... I have always wondered the same thing about Ark.
Posted by Tornado Alley
Member since Mar 2012
26495 posts
Posted on 8/18/15 at 9:16 am to
Coaches with 200+ wins listed from the state they were raised
Alabama
Bobby Bowden
Vince Dooley
Arkansas
Bear Bryant
Nebraska
Tom Osborne
New Jersey
Amos Alonzo Stagg
New York
Joe Paterno
Pop Warner
Ohio
Lou Holtz
Don Nehlen
Bo Schembechler
Woody Hayes
Tennessee
Mack Brown
Steve Spurrier
Texas
Hayden Fry
Utah
LaVell Edwards
Virginia
Frank Beamer
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