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Why do CFB coaches get judged so harshly compared to NFL coaches in SEC country?
Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:01 pm
Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:01 pm
Tennessee
Jeff Fisher= Fails to win a single NFL playoff in his last seven years as Titans HC. Tennessee fans blame poor QB play and the rosters he was saddled with.
Phil Fulmer- Averaged a SEC East Division every three years. Fulmer is way past his prime and needs to go.
Louisiana
Sean Payton- Has a 14-21 record the last three seasons. Isn't even on the hot seat.
Les Miles- Has a 19-10 record the last three seasons. LSU fans call for his head and feel ecstatic when he finally gets fired.
Florida
Gus Bradley- Has a 12-36 with the Jaguars but nobody cares.
Will Muschamp- Gets fired two years after leading the Gators to a BCS bowl game and top 10 finish.
Jeff Fisher= Fails to win a single NFL playoff in his last seven years as Titans HC. Tennessee fans blame poor QB play and the rosters he was saddled with.
Phil Fulmer- Averaged a SEC East Division every three years. Fulmer is way past his prime and needs to go.
Louisiana
Sean Payton- Has a 14-21 record the last three seasons. Isn't even on the hot seat.
Les Miles- Has a 19-10 record the last three seasons. LSU fans call for his head and feel ecstatic when he finally gets fired.
Florida
Gus Bradley- Has a 12-36 with the Jaguars but nobody cares.
Will Muschamp- Gets fired two years after leading the Gators to a BCS bowl game and top 10 finish.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:06 pm to Bench McElroy
because colleges are part of the local community and college fan bases are far more passionate about their teams
Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:07 pm to Bench McElroy
All of those NFL teams you listed are historically bad NFL franchises.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:15 pm to Bench McElroy
NFL coaches generally do not also have complete control of their team like a college coach does. They have to deal with the owners and GMs visions. They are also hamstrung with the hand they're dealt, contracts, and a salary cap. There is also a greater competitive balance. It's just a different game altogether
This post was edited on 9/26/16 at 11:16 pm
Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:17 pm to Bench McElroy
Some of those teams care more about money than winning. The coach doesn't have 100% say over who gets drafted or signed because it's a business decision first and a football decision second.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:18 pm to Bench McElroy
Folks don't harshly judge minor league baseball or NBA D-League coaches either. Second tier leagues get less criticism.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:18 pm to Bench McElroy
There is less margin for error in the college game.
1 loss could mean losing your division and being eliminated from Playoff contention.
2 losses pretty much is a death knell (unless you're Les Miles, circa 2007).
In the NFL, teams make it to the playoffs with 6, 7, or sometimes even 8 or 9 losses. HUGE difference.
1 loss could mean losing your division and being eliminated from Playoff contention.
2 losses pretty much is a death knell (unless you're Les Miles, circa 2007).
In the NFL, teams make it to the playoffs with 6, 7, or sometimes even 8 or 9 losses. HUGE difference.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:19 pm to Bench McElroy
College coaches can hand pick around 25 new players every year. Head coaches may get to draft 7 players and have salary caps.
General managers are probably equally as important as head coaches in the NFL. I generally don't give credit to head coaches who aren't general managers or heavily involved in personnel decision.
General managers are probably equally as important as head coaches in the NFL. I generally don't give credit to head coaches who aren't general managers or heavily involved in personnel decision.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:22 pm to Bench McElroy
Talent differential at top programs in college
No NFL team has the personnel advantage that top college programs have over 90% of their schedule
It's really a 4 game season for most contenders, go 2-2 vs teams with comparable talent and you are 10-2 on the season.
All teams but 7 are "top 25" in the NFL lol. Look up top 25 program's college coach's records vs the top 25 and that's a way to gauge their hypothetical NFL record.
And every one has "5 star" talent on the field due to salary cap. Imagine a star cap on your college roster.
No NFL team has the personnel advantage that top college programs have over 90% of their schedule
It's really a 4 game season for most contenders, go 2-2 vs teams with comparable talent and you are 10-2 on the season.
All teams but 7 are "top 25" in the NFL lol. Look up top 25 program's college coach's records vs the top 25 and that's a way to gauge their hypothetical NFL record.
And every one has "5 star" talent on the field due to salary cap. Imagine a star cap on your college roster.
This post was edited on 9/26/16 at 11:45 pm
Posted on 9/26/16 at 11:47 pm to Bench McElroy
Good question.
IMHO ...
NFL teams are in relatively large cities ... large cities are centers for sheeple, liberal progressive socialist thinkers, union people, followers, people easily deceived into being happy with what they are given. "GIVEN" is the key word.
College towns and college football fans are mostly suburb and rural types. What you see is what you get competitive people. We demand effort and enthusiasm ... we demand a fair day's work for a fair day's pay. We figure you gotta earn it .... nothing is free, there are no cake walks in life.
Thus more is demanded from college coaches.
IMHO ...
NFL teams are in relatively large cities ... large cities are centers for sheeple, liberal progressive socialist thinkers, union people, followers, people easily deceived into being happy with what they are given. "GIVEN" is the key word.
College towns and college football fans are mostly suburb and rural types. What you see is what you get competitive people. We demand effort and enthusiasm ... we demand a fair day's work for a fair day's pay. We figure you gotta earn it .... nothing is free, there are no cake walks in life.
Thus more is demanded from college coaches.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 12:21 am to scrooster
Or 8 of your 12 games as a college coach of a premier program are against inferior athletes. Thus comparing records relative to "success" is misleading
Florida plays LSU, UT, UGA, FSU every year, as far as programs with comparable athletes.
Going 2-2 against that stretch at UF should lead to at least a 9-3 or 10-2 record bc you also play Vandy, UK, USCe, Mizzou, FCS, NonPower5U and so on.
In the NFL you play 16 teams with similar athletes. You go .500 against those teams you are 8-8, borderline playoff material (top 12). Similar to how 9-3 or 10-2 is borderline top 12 material in college
Florida plays LSU, UT, UGA, FSU every year, as far as programs with comparable athletes.
Going 2-2 against that stretch at UF should lead to at least a 9-3 or 10-2 record bc you also play Vandy, UK, USCe, Mizzou, FCS, NonPower5U and so on.
In the NFL you play 16 teams with similar athletes. You go .500 against those teams you are 8-8, borderline playoff material (top 12). Similar to how 9-3 or 10-2 is borderline top 12 material in college
This post was edited on 9/27/16 at 12:37 am
Posted on 9/27/16 at 12:22 am to Bench McElroy
Quite simply, because the South cares a lot more about college football
This post was edited on 9/27/16 at 12:23 am
Posted on 9/27/16 at 12:25 am to Bench McElroy
Because there is parity in the NFL.
CFB is the most uneven playing field in any sport.
CFB is the most uneven playing field in any sport.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 12:25 am to scrooster
quote:
NFL teams are in relatively large cities ... large cities are centers for sheeple, liberal progressive socialist thinkers, union people, followers, people easily deceived into being happy with what they are given. "GIVEN" is the key word.
C'mon bro that's all conjecture.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 12:26 am to kingbob
quote:
There is less margin for error in the college game.
1 loss could mean losing your division and being eliminated from Playoff contention.
2 losses pretty much is a death knell (unless you're Les Miles, circa 2007).
In the NFL, teams make it to the playoffs with 6, 7, or sometimes even 8 or 9 losses. HUGE difference.
Well, there's also more parity in the NFL.
This post was edited on 9/27/16 at 12:27 am
Posted on 9/27/16 at 12:27 am to scrooster
quote:
NFL teams are in relatively large cities ... large cities are centers for sheeple, liberal progressive socialist thinkers, union people, followers, people easily deceived into being happy with what they are given. "GIVEN" is the key word.
College towns and college football fans are mostly suburb and rural types. What you see is what you get competitive people. We demand effort and enthusiasm ... we demand a fair day's work for a fair day's pay. We figure you gotta earn it .... nothing is free, there are no cake walks in life.
Thus more is demanded from college coaches.
I can't tell if this is satire or not
Posted on 9/27/16 at 12:34 am to Porcine Human
It's not satire, it's retarded.
NFL coaches get fired constantly despite having less control over the roster than college coaches.
In college boosters have influence behind the scenes. In the pros the owner can fire according to their whim. Look at what Jerry Jones did to Jimmy Johnson.
Since 1999 the Browns have had 7 head coaches. They've have fired 5 head coaches since 2008.
NFL coaches get fired constantly despite having less control over the roster than college coaches.
In college boosters have influence behind the scenes. In the pros the owner can fire according to their whim. Look at what Jerry Jones did to Jimmy Johnson.
Since 1999 the Browns have had 7 head coaches. They've have fired 5 head coaches since 2008.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 12:38 am to Bench McElroy
The real reason is pretty simple. Most people only realize it subconsciously. College coaches are much more responsible for the team. They build it, they train it, they choose how it operates. Unlike NFL coaches, they don't really answer to higher-ups in matters of who they bring in, which means they also don't have to work with what they can get under those restrictions rather than picking the right players for their system. And while college coaches do have to win over players to come play for them, so do NFL coaches (the draft aside) and the odds of an AD calling the shots are much lower than the odds of a GM or owner doing so.
Frankly, the mercenary nature of the NFL combined with the fact that you're dealing with extremely rich grown men with egos to match (college players obviously have egos, but they don't have the same firepower behind said egos) means that it's hard to believe an NFL coach is as integral to a team's success as a college one. Coaching is obviously crucial, but the players in the NFL are more independent and, frankly, more likely to rely on their own experience for game-time decisions than your average college player.
I'm not saying it's fair that college coaches are held to a higher standard, it's just logical.
(Also, NFL teams are expected to lose more than college teams. An NFL team with a 75% win rate at the end of the regular season is considered really good. A college team with the same win rate is probably ranked in the mid-teens and not likely to be going to go to a BCS bowl except under very specific circumstances. A season that is a success story in the NFL is considered a down year for a perennial top 10 team in college.)
Frankly, the mercenary nature of the NFL combined with the fact that you're dealing with extremely rich grown men with egos to match (college players obviously have egos, but they don't have the same firepower behind said egos) means that it's hard to believe an NFL coach is as integral to a team's success as a college one. Coaching is obviously crucial, but the players in the NFL are more independent and, frankly, more likely to rely on their own experience for game-time decisions than your average college player.
I'm not saying it's fair that college coaches are held to a higher standard, it's just logical.
(Also, NFL teams are expected to lose more than college teams. An NFL team with a 75% win rate at the end of the regular season is considered really good. A college team with the same win rate is probably ranked in the mid-teens and not likely to be going to go to a BCS bowl except under very specific circumstances. A season that is a success story in the NFL is considered a down year for a perennial top 10 team in college.)
This post was edited on 9/27/16 at 1:27 am
Posted on 9/27/16 at 12:42 am to Bench McElroy
Wrong!
John Fox got fired after going 12-4 the year after taking the Broncos to the Superbowl. NFL coaches have a much shorter leash. Certain guys keep getting hired for illogical reasons tnough like Rex Ryan.
John Fox got fired after going 12-4 the year after taking the Broncos to the Superbowl. NFL coaches have a much shorter leash. Certain guys keep getting hired for illogical reasons tnough like Rex Ryan.
Posted on 9/27/16 at 12:49 am to Othello
You don't need stability to recruit players in the NFL. You have money to recruit with, not 3+ years of coddling and relationship building
You lose nothing by pulling the plug.
You lose nothing by pulling the plug.
This post was edited on 9/27/16 at 12:52 am
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