Started By
Message
re: Who Are The True Bluebloods Of College Football?
Posted on 8/25/16 at 11:58 am to Cooter Davenport
Posted on 8/25/16 at 11:58 am to Cooter Davenport
quote:
Nebraska has the Natties they do because the old Big 8 had VERY lenient rules with respect to their ability to sign academic partial and non-qualifiers. In those days, Nebraska had free reign to scour the nation for talented idiots who couldn't qualify at the other big programs because those schools and their conferences had standards, and Nebraska and the Big 8 essentially didn't. Also, Nebraska had a County Scholarship program, whereby they could give one full-ride scholarship per Nebraska county to anyone they wanted and then have that person "walk on" to the football team, so that they never had to use a football scholarship on a native Nebraskan and could use all of their allotted football scholarships on out of state players. That's another advantage that other schools lacked. When the Big XII was formed, UTex but the kibosh on BOTH of those things. No more partial and non-qualifiers, no more "County Scholarships".
Ok, this is the type of stuff I didn't know. I remember the Big 8 and the formation of the Big XII, but I didn't understand the Big 8 had some very lenient recruiting standards beforehand compared to the other major conferences.
0
Posted on 8/25/16 at 12:00 pm to dcbl
Miami? not in the top 15?
This post was edited on 8/25/16 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 8/25/16 at 12:01 pm to JCinBAMA
some of those Sewanee players look to be in their 30's (and probably are). I suspect rules were pretty lax back in that day. 
Posted on 8/25/16 at 12:21 pm to ddansby91
quote:it has more to do with the landscape change of cfb. The south has taken a strong hold that will not be relinquished. It is what it is
It amazes me the decline of Nebraska football over the last 20 years. Drummed people in '95 now they struggle to get get 7 or 8 wins. I think games being played on TV played a big part in that. Just about any game is televised weekly now.
Posted on 8/25/16 at 12:39 pm to Mizz-SEC
15 years ago, there were 10 bluebloods:
Notre Dame
Oklahoma
Alabama
Ohio State
USC
Ohio State
Michigan
Texas
Tennessee
Penn State
I think all 10 of those are still blue bloods, mainly because it takes a very long time to lose blue blood status. However, I think there are a couple that are in danger of losing that status (and I'm not talking Tennessee). The main change is I think there have been six new additions to "blue blood" status
LSU
Florida State
Florida
Auburn
Miami
Georgia
Here's why:
Miami: The Hurricanes are probably the hardest program to evaluate. They have more National Championships than Michigan, Texas, Penn State, Tennessee, etc. But they lack longevity. They have arguably the weakest resume prior to 1980 of any of these 16 programs, and they have one of the bleakest looking futures.
However, only Alabama has bested them during the last generation. Over the last 40 seasons, Miami has 5 National Titles... and they either played for the Title or finished in the final Top 3 in another 5 years.
When you've essentially played for the National Title on 10 occasions in just a 40 year period, I think you've earned blue blood status.
Florida State & Florida: Florida State and Florida are very similar to Miami.... they essentially had zero championship hardware prior to the '80s. Since they emerged as national powers, both Florida and Florida State have had less success than Miami. However, they both have much brighter futures.
LSU: LSU has won 2 National Titles since 2003, and they've played for another. They have a very long history of being a solid program, but its the last 15 years that have brought them up to "blue blood" status.
Auburn: Auburn is very similar to LSU. They had a National Title in the '50s that they've added to in recent years (2010) and played for it another time (2013). Auburn had a slightly less impressive resume than LSU up until the current century, and they've again had a slightly less impressive resume since. While Auburn has always been a roller coaster from year-to-year, they've been one of the most consistently solid programs in the sport when you look back over longer periods of time. Auburn is the only program to have an AP Top 5 finish in each of the past 7 decades:
1950s: 1957, 1958
1960s: 1963
1970s: 1972
1980s: 1983
1990s: 1993
2000s: 2004
2010s: 2010, 2013
No other program in college football can currently make that claim. They've not won as many championships as LSU, but they've also never had a drought like the one LSU experienced from the late '80s up until Saban.
I think with their two runs to the Title game since 2010, Auburn is now a "blue blood" program.
Georgia: What Georgia lacks in National Title trophies, they earn in the category of consistency. Over the past 40 years, Georgia ranks 6th nationally in Total Wins for its program of all power programs... behind only Nebraska, Florida State, Oklahoma, Ohio State, and Michigan. That means Georgia has more program wins over the past 40 years than every other SEC program.
It's very difficult to deny Georgia "blue blood" status when they are 6th nationally in wins and 9th nationally in weekly AP Poll appearances during the last generation.
PROGRAMS ON NOTICE
The programs that seem like they are most likely to lose blue blood status in the near future are Nebraska and Penn State.
Nebraska has not been relevant since 2001. And unlike Tennessee, they do not have the benefit of being in the SEC in a large, fast-growing state. So while Tennessee has had a worse last 10-15 years, the future at least looks more promising for the Vols.
Nebraska is in the middle of nowhere. They are hundreds of miles away from any real source for high school talent.
Penn State has also not really been relevant since about 2002. And like Nebraska, they aren't in the SEC to help prop them up. Their recent scandals have really hurt them. And their overall resume was already probably the weakest of the traditional 10 blue bloods.
If PSU doesn't turn the ship around in the next decade or so, they might be relegated.
Notre Dame
Oklahoma
Alabama
Ohio State
USC
Ohio State
Michigan
Texas
Tennessee
Penn State
I think all 10 of those are still blue bloods, mainly because it takes a very long time to lose blue blood status. However, I think there are a couple that are in danger of losing that status (and I'm not talking Tennessee). The main change is I think there have been six new additions to "blue blood" status
LSU
Florida State
Florida
Auburn
Miami
Georgia
Here's why:
Miami: The Hurricanes are probably the hardest program to evaluate. They have more National Championships than Michigan, Texas, Penn State, Tennessee, etc. But they lack longevity. They have arguably the weakest resume prior to 1980 of any of these 16 programs, and they have one of the bleakest looking futures.
However, only Alabama has bested them during the last generation. Over the last 40 seasons, Miami has 5 National Titles... and they either played for the Title or finished in the final Top 3 in another 5 years.
When you've essentially played for the National Title on 10 occasions in just a 40 year period, I think you've earned blue blood status.
Florida State & Florida: Florida State and Florida are very similar to Miami.... they essentially had zero championship hardware prior to the '80s. Since they emerged as national powers, both Florida and Florida State have had less success than Miami. However, they both have much brighter futures.
LSU: LSU has won 2 National Titles since 2003, and they've played for another. They have a very long history of being a solid program, but its the last 15 years that have brought them up to "blue blood" status.
Auburn: Auburn is very similar to LSU. They had a National Title in the '50s that they've added to in recent years (2010) and played for it another time (2013). Auburn had a slightly less impressive resume than LSU up until the current century, and they've again had a slightly less impressive resume since. While Auburn has always been a roller coaster from year-to-year, they've been one of the most consistently solid programs in the sport when you look back over longer periods of time. Auburn is the only program to have an AP Top 5 finish in each of the past 7 decades:
1950s: 1957, 1958
1960s: 1963
1970s: 1972
1980s: 1983
1990s: 1993
2000s: 2004
2010s: 2010, 2013
No other program in college football can currently make that claim. They've not won as many championships as LSU, but they've also never had a drought like the one LSU experienced from the late '80s up until Saban.
I think with their two runs to the Title game since 2010, Auburn is now a "blue blood" program.
Georgia: What Georgia lacks in National Title trophies, they earn in the category of consistency. Over the past 40 years, Georgia ranks 6th nationally in Total Wins for its program of all power programs... behind only Nebraska, Florida State, Oklahoma, Ohio State, and Michigan. That means Georgia has more program wins over the past 40 years than every other SEC program.
It's very difficult to deny Georgia "blue blood" status when they are 6th nationally in wins and 9th nationally in weekly AP Poll appearances during the last generation.
PROGRAMS ON NOTICE
The programs that seem like they are most likely to lose blue blood status in the near future are Nebraska and Penn State.
Nebraska has not been relevant since 2001. And unlike Tennessee, they do not have the benefit of being in the SEC in a large, fast-growing state. So while Tennessee has had a worse last 10-15 years, the future at least looks more promising for the Vols.
Nebraska is in the middle of nowhere. They are hundreds of miles away from any real source for high school talent.
Penn State has also not really been relevant since about 2002. And like Nebraska, they aren't in the SEC to help prop them up. Their recent scandals have really hurt them. And their overall resume was already probably the weakest of the traditional 10 blue bloods.
If PSU doesn't turn the ship around in the next decade or so, they might be relegated.
Posted on 8/25/16 at 12:40 pm to BHMKyle
Uh, 15 years ago Nebraska was way more a blue blood than Penn State.
Posted on 8/25/16 at 12:49 pm to CharlotteSooner
True Blue Bloods
Alabama
Oklahoma
ND
Ohio state
Those are teams that top every metric you can come up with.
Second tier Accepted Blue Bloods
Michigan
USC
Nebraska
TN
Texas
Alabama
Oklahoma
ND
Ohio state
Those are teams that top every metric you can come up with.
Second tier Accepted Blue Bloods
Michigan
USC
Nebraska
TN
Texas
Posted on 8/25/16 at 12:51 pm to TxTiger82
quote:
Auburn - status in jeopardy
LSU - status in jeopardy
USC - status in jeopardy
What? Auburn has played for two National Titles IN THE CURRENT DECADE? If they had blue blood status, how on earth is it now in jeopardy when they've had more runs to the National Title game in the past two years than they ever had in their history prior to that?
And LSU???? Again, if LSU had blue blood status, tell me how in the world it is in jeopardy?
LSU is 3rd in AP Poll appearances over the past 5 years
LSU is 2nd in AP Poll appearances over the past 10 years
LSU is 1st in AP Poll appearances over the past 15 years
I'm sorry, but based on recent history, LSU is a Top 5 program. There is no "jeopardy" attached to them if you are saying they at once had blue blood status in the past.
And USC? Again they rank 2nd in wins on the field during the current century.
quote:
Nouveau Riche: 2000-present
Oregon - status in jeopardy
Boise State - status lost
Virginia Tech - status lost
TCU - status growing
BOOOOOO!!!!!
Posted on 8/25/16 at 12:54 pm to Errerrerrwere
quote:
Notre Dame
Bama
Michigan
USC
UTexas
Oklahoma
Ohio State
This and I wouldn't include anyone else right now. No Tennessee or Penn State. They have been down too long, but I think can jump back in. Nebraska is long gone, they will never be like they were in the 1990s and previous again. Just a program you cant recruit to anymore. There's a few programs that could potentially break in with some good runs as well who aren't far behind by any means...and could be considered blue bloods before Penn State or Tennessee get that kind of status back.
Posted on 8/25/16 at 12:55 pm to Mizz-SEC
I think there are two lists. You have the old money blue bloods.
Alabama
Texas
Notre Dame
USC
Oklahoma
Michigan
Ohio State
Then you have the new money blue bloods.
Florida
Florida State
Oregon
Georgia
Tennessee
Penn State
Miami
LSU
Auburn
Alabama
Texas
Notre Dame
USC
Oklahoma
Michigan
Ohio State
Then you have the new money blue bloods.
Florida
Florida State
Oregon
Georgia
Tennessee
Penn State
Miami
LSU
Auburn
Posted on 8/25/16 at 12:58 pm to The Spleen
quote:
I think there are two lists. You have the old money blue bloods.
Alabama
Texas
Notre Dame
USC
Oklahoma
Michigan
Ohio State
Then you have the new money blue bloods.
Florida
Florida State
Oregon
Georgia
Tennessee
Penn State
Miami
LSU
Auburn
I could maybe go along with this grouping, but Oregon should not be in the equation. If they win a National Title, then yes, include them. But their resume does not belong with those other 15.
Secondly, if you are going to count Michigan in the "Old Money" group, you have to also include Nebraska.
Nebraska's pre-2000 resume is far more impressive than Michigan's, and quite frankly, while Nebraska has been down for 15 years, they haven't been a whole lot worse than Michigan.
This post was edited on 8/25/16 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 8/25/16 at 1:11 pm to BHMKyle
I don't think UGA belongs on any list of blue bloods. We're a program with a lot of history, sure. We claim 2 National Titles, but the most recent one was 36 years ago and the other was almost 40 years prior to that. If UGA had been worth a shite in the 50's, 60's, and 70's (4 conference titles in a 30 year span is not what one should consider "elite") and not hired Ray Goff, then there would be a case to be made.
I think UGA has the potential to turn into a perennial contender and eventually be a "blue blood", but it will take a concerted effort from the administration, the athletic dept, and the right coaching staff. Maybe Kirby will be the one to turn that corner, who knows? I hope so, because I'm in my 30's and started to give up hope that I'd ever see UGA win a title when Richt was head coach.
I think UGA has the potential to turn into a perennial contender and eventually be a "blue blood", but it will take a concerted effort from the administration, the athletic dept, and the right coaching staff. Maybe Kirby will be the one to turn that corner, who knows? I hope so, because I'm in my 30's and started to give up hope that I'd ever see UGA win a title when Richt was head coach.
Posted on 8/25/16 at 1:12 pm to Errerrerrwere
quote:
Notre Dame
Bama
Michigan
USC
Oklahoma
Ohio State
That's tier 1.
The second tier is like Texas, Nebraska, Penn State, Tennessee.
Posted on 8/25/16 at 1:17 pm to The Spleen
Nothing new money about Tennesssee.
Posted on 8/25/16 at 1:19 pm to BHMKyle
The new money group has some other variables in it other than on-field resume. Oregon is attractive to recruits, has a ton of money, close ties to Nike, and one of the best stadiums in college football. They have the weakest resume in that group, but I think they belong.
And I meant to put Nebraska in the 2nd group. Their history puts them in the 1st group, but going forward I don't think they have the appeal the others do that will get them back to that level. Michigan has the history, and has the prestige and resources to always be top tier.
And I meant to put Nebraska in the 2nd group. Their history puts them in the 1st group, but going forward I don't think they have the appeal the others do that will get them back to that level. Michigan has the history, and has the prestige and resources to always be top tier.
Posted on 8/25/16 at 1:28 pm to TxTiger82
nvm
This post was edited on 8/25/16 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 8/25/16 at 1:32 pm to parrothead
quote:
I have a feeling you're right on this one. Personally, I like Charlie strong and would like to see him succeed but Austin is an absolute dumpster fire
We just pulled in the #2 recruiting class and it's a dumpster fire?
Look, out Athletic Department and boosters have trouble seeing eye to eye and frankly, can't get out of their own way. We certainly have too many "big-wigs" boosters and donors who want a seat at the table and wantt their point heard and addressed. That said, Strong is recruiting very well. He had to cut a lot of entitled, dead weight. We're thin in some areas (particularly the lines). We're starting a freshman QB. Is Strong the right guy for the job? Probably not. But, I'm confident in whoever we'll bring in will have a nice, loaded cupboard to deal with. I'd say if anything, we are on the upswing. We just have a lot of young talent out there.
This post was edited on 8/25/16 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 8/25/16 at 1:37 pm to Grandioso
quote:
We just pulled in the #2 recruiting class
Say what? 247 Composite is the accepted standard by anyone with common sense and Texas is #7 and #10 in the last two years.
Posted on 8/25/16 at 1:46 pm to VABuckeye
quote:
Say what? 247 Composite is the accepted standard by anyone with common sense and Texas is #7 and #10 in the last two years.
Not only that, but a several of the kids who made up each those #7 & #10 classes never set foot on campus. Adjusted to who actually ever went to a single class, you are talking about top 25, at best. #2 is just stupid and shows you how much crack UTw fans smoke when it comes to their opinion of their own program.
That said, the talent level that The Midget's successor takes over will not be BAD. If they make the right hire they could win ~9 in the Big XII his first season and catch a lot of positive press and momentum.
This post was edited on 8/25/16 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 8/25/16 at 4:21 pm to jatebe
quote:
FBS NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS
1. Alabama 15
2. Notre Dame 13
3. Michigan 11
4. USC 10
5. Pittsburgh 9
6. Ohio State 8
7. Oklahoma 7
8. Minnesota 6
9. Army 5
9. Miami (FL) 5
9. Nebraska 5
Holy shite!!
Page 5 of 6
Popular
Back to top
Follow SECRant for SEC Football News