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What worked at Cincinnati that didn't work at Tennessee?
Posted on 9/27/17 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 9/27/17 at 3:09 pm
I mean the level of competition is a big factor. But Tennessee fans, can you give me specific examples/games that most likely would've been successful for him up north, but didnt translate well at all down here?
I really only watch his Alabama games (obviously) and some highlights here and there.
I really only watch his Alabama games (obviously) and some highlights here and there.
This post was edited on 9/27/17 at 3:57 pm
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Posted on 9/27/17 at 3:10 pm to FourThreeForty
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Cincinatti
spelling didn't work out for you.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 3:11 pm to FourThreeForty
Cincinnati had a losing record against Derek Dooley.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 3:12 pm to FourThreeForty
Brian Kelly's recruits and a Big East conference schedule.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 3:14 pm to FourThreeForty
you mean following Kelly at two different stops wouldnt translate to good results when not?
Posted on 9/27/17 at 3:14 pm to BradPitt
Wait, who was the coach at Cincinnati at that time?
Posted on 9/27/17 at 3:14 pm to FourThreeForty
It is working, he's winning 7-8 games a year. Not sure what more they expect.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 3:15 pm to FourThreeForty
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What worked at Cincinatti that didn't work at Tennessee?
He followed Brian Kelly at Cincinnati and followed Derek Dooley at Tennessee. He was able to maintain the program at Cincinnati and has been unable to build and sustain a program at Tennessee. Oddly enough, he was boat raced by Dooley when he was coaching at Cincinnati
Posted on 9/27/17 at 3:15 pm to FourThreeForty
Being in the Big East.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 3:22 pm to lsufball19
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has been unable to build and sustain a program at Tennessee.
You don't understand the mess that Dooley left. He did his job and I thank him for that, but he can't take the next step.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 3:26 pm to DayBowBow
I'll bite.
He implements schemes and calls plays that would maybe have success in the MAC or Big East, but won't cut it with the big boys.
Prime example is the Hail Mary Florida beat us on. Botch didn't think Franks could throw it that far. Such would be probably the case in the MAC.
Botch also thinks Quinten Dormady is fast enough to run the read option against SEC defenses and refuses to tailor his offensive scheme accordingly. His stubbornness will ultimately cost him his job.
He implements schemes and calls plays that would maybe have success in the MAC or Big East, but won't cut it with the big boys.
Prime example is the Hail Mary Florida beat us on. Botch didn't think Franks could throw it that far. Such would be probably the case in the MAC.
Botch also thinks Quinten Dormady is fast enough to run the read option against SEC defenses and refuses to tailor his offensive scheme accordingly. His stubbornness will ultimately cost him his job.
This post was edited on 9/27/17 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 9/27/17 at 3:31 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
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Such would be probably the case in the MAC.
He had a legit passer at Central Michigan Dan Lefevour, not so much at UC
Posted on 9/27/17 at 3:36 pm to FourThreeForty
Is it really much different?
Cincy
23-14 overall(8-4 average)
12-9 conference (4-3 average)
Tennessee
33-22 (8-4 average)
14-19 conference (3-5 average)
Pretty similar to me
Cincy
23-14 overall(8-4 average)
12-9 conference (4-3 average)
Tennessee
33-22 (8-4 average)
14-19 conference (3-5 average)
Pretty similar to me
Posted on 9/27/17 at 3:37 pm to FourThreeForty
Reason one why you do not hire the hot coach for that year.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 3:42 pm to Irons Puppet
As said he came to Cincinnati after Kelly had rebuilt the program right? So the players were already there, easy schedule, there wasn't a lot he could do wrong.
UTenn is not an easy job. Their in state recruiting sucks, and I mean sucks bad. They have to go to Ohio, Georgia, Alabama, Florida, and North Carolina to get recruits. Luckily they are in the middle of all those states.
UTenn is not an easy job. Their in state recruiting sucks, and I mean sucks bad. They have to go to Ohio, Georgia, Alabama, Florida, and North Carolina to get recruits. Luckily they are in the middle of all those states.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 3:45 pm to baldona
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UTenn is not an easy job. Their in state recruiting sucks, and I mean sucks bad.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 3:46 pm to Buster180
Not 1998.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 3:56 pm to BradPitt
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Cincinnati had a losing record against Derek Dooley.
This is really all you need to know
Weaker level of competition + did he really do much better at Cincy than Tenn? I don't remember him winning more than 9 games there
Posted on 9/27/17 at 3:58 pm to Wishnitwas1998
Weaker level of competition but weaker pool of talent
So it evens out. It's not like he was getting Tennessee level recruits at Cincy
So it evens out. It's not like he was getting Tennessee level recruits at Cincy
Posted on 9/27/17 at 4:02 pm to CNB
He wasn't but it's not just a matter of facing better players
You face better coaches with better staffs more capable of scouting, gamplanning, etc with more resources to do it
Butch has those resources to but if he and his staff can't scout/etc as well as other coaches it will be exposed
You face better coaches with better staffs more capable of scouting, gamplanning, etc with more resources to do it
Butch has those resources to but if he and his staff can't scout/etc as well as other coaches it will be exposed
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