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re: What were some of Chief's screw ups at Tennessee?

Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:20 am to
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:20 am to
You realize that a defense getting off the field 75% of the time on third down is incredible, right? That is good for #1 in the nation almost every single year.

An average defense gets off the field only 60% of the time. Chavis consistently has his defenses in the top 20 nationally and he only gets off the field 66% of the time for his career. He has twice had his teams around 75% (once at LSU, once at Tennessee) and those two defenses were two of the best in SEC history.
Posted by shaqfu33
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Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:21 am to
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I will never forgive the Chief for continually starting DJ Welter.


Even more maddening than Mustang.
Posted by BigBrod81
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Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:21 am to
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LSU has lost plenty of games over the last 7 seasons, and what percentage would you place on the defense


Then why the 3rd & Chavis nicknave given to him while he was at Tennessee? Maybe if you would have watched more SEC football back then you would know. Sorry you were focused more on that dump called the Big XII back then.
Posted by BigBrod81
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Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:23 am to
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You realize that a defense getting off the field 75% of the time on third down is incredible, right? That is good for #1 in the nation almost every single year.


Well no shite. Yet time & time again his defenses have failed in crucial moments since 1995. Why is that?
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:24 am to
Stats have been posted that clearly refute the claim that Chavis is poor on third down, you have posted no stats, yet you keep claiming victory.

You have your fingers in your ears and are ignoring all the facts. The stats show that not does Chavis not regularly struggle on third down, his defenses are usually in the top 20-25 nationally in third down defense.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:26 am to
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Well no shite. Yet time & time again his defenses have failed in crucial moments since 1995. Why is that?


His defenses hold one score leads 77% of the time for his career, which again is exceptional. If you are going to ignoring the reality that the numbers convey then there is nothing left for me to say.
Posted by BigBrod81
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Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:28 am to
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I will never forgive the Chief for continually starting DJ Welter.


The second half against Bama in 2013 was probably the worst game with Welter on the field. They ran right at him the majority of the second half & he was getting washed out by blockers almost 10 yards downfield. He had no power to disengage blockers & piss poor lateral movement. How was he even offered a scholly?
This post was edited on 7/29/15 at 12:34 am
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:29 am to
Again, I dont know what else you want here. We have provided every conceivable stat to refute each of your points and you just refuse to aknowledge them.

If the numbers say Chavis is usually in the top third of the SEC and top 20 in the nation in 3rd down defense and holds one score leads between 70-80% of the time and yet you just keep posting "Third and Chavis" then this is pointless.
Posted by BigBrod81
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Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:32 am to
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Stats have been posted that clearly refute the claim that Chavis is poor on third down, you have posted no stats, yet you keep claiming victory.


Links to in game situations & blown leads have been posted as well.

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You have your fingers in your ears and are ignoring all the facts.


Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:36 am to
EVERY DC BLOWS LEADS FROM TIME TO TIME. It is inherently part of the game, sometimes the opposing offenses pulls it out. Their offensive coaches get paid big money too. I can find multiple late game failures for every single elite DC out there.

You are holding Chavis to an unrealistic standard because you cannot admit you were wrong.
Posted by Mirthomatic
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Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:37 am to
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Links to in game situations & blown leads have been posted as well.



Anecdotal Evidence

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The expression anecdotal evidence refers to evidence from anecdotes. In cases where small numbers of anecdotes are presented, there is a larger chance that they may be unreliable due to cherry-picked or otherwise non-representative samples of typical cases.
Posted by BigBrod81
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Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:37 am to
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We have provided every conceivable stat to refute each of your points and you just refuse to aknowledge them.


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yet you just keep posting "Third and Chavis" then this is pointless.





Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:39 am to
Like I said, this is a waste of time. Later.
Posted by BigBrod81
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Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:44 am to
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You are holding Chavis to an unrealistic standard because you cannot admit you were wrong.


No, I have seen Chavis abandon his game plan in certain parts of the game to play off man mostly in two minute drive situations.

What you don't understand is that his off man concepts in these situations allow receivers to work the sidelines easily without much resistance. If he would play more press in those situations on the outside & with zone either over the top or underneath, his defenses wouldn't have those issues because it would force the QB to throw the ball in the middle which would burn clock.

Force everything to the middle of the field then have your defenders swarm & tackle. Chavis doesn't understand this concept at all. Instead, when the game is on the line, he gets tight because he has no balls to continue doing what he's done all game long. He's robotic in his situational game calling.
This post was edited on 7/29/15 at 12:59 am
Posted by BigBrod81
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Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:49 am to
There's no such thing as anecdotal evidence when it comes down the mustang package & off man coverage in 2 minute drill situations.

The mustang package uses 2 linebackers split across the formation & a rover safety in the box usually to blitz off of the slot. It leaves the middle of a defense totally exposed to downhill runs in both the A gaps.

The off man in the 2 minute drill allows easy completions to the sideline because the opposing receivers get a free release & 5-7 yard cushions.
This post was edited on 7/29/15 at 12:56 am
Posted by mulletproof
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Posted on 7/29/15 at 1:25 am to
Got his fudge packed 3 times in 14 months by Tubs in 2003 and 2004.
Posted by memphisplaya
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Posted on 7/29/15 at 3:43 am to
Aggies, we told you Chavis was a lazy recruiter. You all laughed at that notion. You posted pictures of him when He recruited when he first got there, but since then he's done nothing but sit on his arse in CS. Now we are telling you 3rd and Chavis is real. Throw out 3rd down defense stats all you want. Just pray you never have a single score lead with less than 2 to play. You'll see a defense do a 180. You won't even recognize the scheme, but TN and LSU fans will. It's his pitiful mustang package. Believe if you want that your stats tell the whole story. We warned you about his lazy recruiting and you're seeing it first hand this summer, and now you're soon going to see his short comings.

You've been warned.
This post was edited on 7/29/15 at 3:45 am
Posted by WhiskerBiscuitSlayer
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 7/29/15 at 3:49 am to
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 Just pray you never have a single score lead with less than 2 to play. 


We have this thing called an offense. Cam Cameron would be wise to look it up. With Aluminu...oops I mean Steele, he might need it.
Posted by murfvol
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 7/29/15 at 3:57 am to
As noted on another thread, '08 UCLA and '00 UF should be added to games already listed.

For those wishing to critique the offense those games, keep in mind what your defense does is largely irrelevant in games where you score 35. It's times the D has to bail you out, you'll be sad.
Posted by memphisplaya
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Posted on 7/29/15 at 4:18 am to
Your offense has been neutralized multiple times. LSU had the most balanced offense in the history of the SEC in 2013 (3000+ Yd passer, 1000+ yd RB, 2 1000 yd WR's which was an SEC 1st), but couldn't overcome the inefficiencies of Chavis's putrid mustang package in loses to UGA and Alabama.
This post was edited on 7/29/15 at 4:19 am
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