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re: What was the original thinking putting Mizzou in the East?
Posted on 3/22/17 at 7:56 am to NOLApurpleandgold
Posted on 3/22/17 at 7:56 am to NOLApurpleandgold
If the point of this is we need teams to be properly split geographically then just do it this way
West
Texas A&M
Arkansas
Missouri
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
LSU
Vanderbilt
East
Alabama
Auburn
Tennessee
Kentucky
Georgia
South Carolina
Florida
No cross divisional rivals needed and geographically sound.
West
Texas A&M
Arkansas
Missouri
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
LSU
Vanderbilt
East
Alabama
Auburn
Tennessee
Kentucky
Georgia
South Carolina
Florida
No cross divisional rivals needed and geographically sound.
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Posted on 3/22/17 at 7:57 am to GetCocky11
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Ah yes, the good ole condescending "oh you're a fan of another school so you're inferior" argument.
No, the old "if you think playing Missouri/Ole Miss yearly instead of Alabama/Tennessee yearly makes sense then you don't understand the conference" argument.
See my followup post. If you want true geographical divisions move Alabama and Auburn to the East and Vanderbilt and Missouri to the West.
Alabama gets Tennessee and Auburn gets Georgia in their division. Problem solved. The only true, old rival Alabama would lose is Mississippi State. And Tennessee would lose Vanderbilt, a similar old but not competitive rival.
I'm all for this setup.
This post was edited on 3/22/17 at 8:01 am
Posted on 3/22/17 at 8:00 am to SummerOfGeorge
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"if you think playing Missouri/Ole Miss yearly instead of Alabama/Tennessee yearly makes sense then you don't understand the conference" argument.
Newsflash: Nobody gives a shite about Alabama/Tennessee playing every year except for Alabama and Tennessee fans.
ETA: And your hypothetical division split in that previous post is just horrible. You just basically handed LSU the West division every single year in that scenario.
This post was edited on 3/22/17 at 8:02 am
Posted on 3/22/17 at 8:02 am to GetCocky11
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Newsflash: Nobody gives a shite about Alabama/Tennessee playing every year except for Alabama and Tennessee fans.
Newsflash - trading the Alabama/Tennessee game for anything having to do with Missouri is stupid, regardless of what other fans think.
But again, just swap Missouri/Vanderbilt for Alabama/Auburn and we're good to go geographically and rivalry wise. Everybody should be good with that, right, since the argument was how silly it is for teams to be in a geographically named division that doesn't make sense.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 8:02 am to SummerOfGeorge
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if you think playing Missouri/Ole Miss yearly instead of Alabama/Tennessee yearly makes sense then you don't understand the conference
I'm still waiting for your explaination of why Bama/Tenn is so much better than Ole Miss/Mizzou. Unless you are a Bama or Tenn fan I don't see how it is so much better. Spolier alert: Bama is going to win.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 8:02 am to civiltiger07
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Please elaborate.....
Those two games are more important and more lucrative than the matchups you would see more often if you got rid of those permanent games.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 8:03 am to civiltiger07
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I'm still waiting for your explaination of why Bama/Tenn is so much better than Ole Miss/Mizzou. Unless you are a Bama or Tenn fan I don't see how it is so much better. Spolier alert: Bama is going to win.
A lot more people watch Bama vs. UT on CBS than OM vs. Mizzou on SEC Network at noon
Posted on 3/22/17 at 8:04 am to GetCocky11
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ETA: And your hypothetical division split in that previous post is just horrible. You just basically handed LSU the West division every single year in that scenario.
Ah, so it isn't all about a "geographical split".
The entire idea of the divisions is outdated at this point anyway. We should be playing pod games and rotating like numerous people have proposed the last few years so that we can play as many teams in 4 years as possible, keeping 2-3 permanent opponents.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 8:04 am to Crowknowsbest
Oh so you are claiming that the revenue of the SEC Network/SEC would take a significant hit if those TWO games weren't played? I'm calling BS.
This post was edited on 3/22/17 at 8:06 am
Posted on 3/22/17 at 8:05 am to Crowknowsbest
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A lot more people watch Bama vs. UT on CBS
A lot of people would watch whoever plays at 2 on CBS that day.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 8:06 am to civiltiger07
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I'm still waiting for your explaination of why Bama/Tenn is so much better than Ole Miss/Mizzou
Spolier alert: Bama is going to win.
Couldn't we apply the same logic to Alabama/LSU, Alabama/Arkansas, Alabama/Mississippi State, LSU/Texas A&M, etc?
This post was edited on 3/22/17 at 8:08 am
Posted on 3/22/17 at 8:06 am to SummerOfGeorge
Those divisions are perfect and allow for natural expansion if needed. Makes entirely too much sense to ever happen unfortunately
Posted on 3/22/17 at 8:07 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Couldn't we apply the same logic to Alabama/LSU, Alabama/Arkansas, Alabama/Mississippi State, LSU/Texas A&M, etc?
except for the fact that LSU, Miss St, Bama, Arkansas, and A&M are in the same division sure I guess so.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 8:07 am to Crowknowsbest
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Those two games are more important and more lucrative than the matchups you would see more often if you got rid of those permanent games.
Won't question you about lucrative. Never watch Alabama/Tennessee myself. The game has to mean something (which it really hasn't since the early 2000's maybe), and Tennessee has to have a chance to win, which it hasn't for about ten years or so.
I do understand it has pretty good TV ratings - for some reason.
Be interesting to compare it to the A&M/Auburn/LSU games for Alabama, and the occasional matchups with Florida (why is it that Georgia/Alabama doesn't seem to happen very often?).
Posted on 3/22/17 at 8:09 am to civiltiger07
I think the biggest issue is the fact that permanent cross-division opponents actually exist. It is so illogical.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 8:10 am to Al Bundy Bulldog
Fun fact: Mizzou is less than 100 miles further on average from each SEC West school as it as each SEC East school. Being as far north as they are makes them much closer to the likes of Tennessee, Vandy, Kentucky, USC as you'd think.
Mizzou average distance from the other 6 East schools: 686 miles
Mizzou average distance from the 7 West schools: 594
If you remove Florida from the equation the difference is less than 30 miles.
Mizzou average distance from the other 6 East schools: 686 miles
Mizzou average distance from the 7 West schools: 594
If you remove Florida from the equation the difference is less than 30 miles.
This post was edited on 3/22/17 at 8:15 am
Posted on 3/22/17 at 8:10 am to civiltiger07
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except for the fact that LSU, Miss St, Bama, Arkansas, and A&M are in the same division sure I guess so
The point is why would anyone care about those games because, spoiler alert, Alabama is going to win.
Again, divisions are dumb. There are 2-3 games for every school that their fanbase cares about. Those should be protected. Every other game should be rotated yearly to get all the conference teams on a schedule as much as possible. How to do that equitably is difficult, but it can be done and has been proposed in numerous scenarios.
Alabama wants to play Auburn and Tennessee yearly.
Auburn wants to play Alabama and Georgia yearly.
Georgia wants to play Auburn and Florida yearly.
Etc, etc. However, Auburn also wants to play Florida and Tennessee more. In a system in which we play every school at least once every 3-4 years, that happens.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 8:11 am to GetCocky11
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I think the biggest issue is the fact that permanent cross-division opponents actually exist. It is so illogical.
The problem is divisions. Alabama playing Arkansas every year and South Carolina twice in a decade is stupid.
Alabama has played South Carolina 2 times since 2006. That's ridiculous.
This post was edited on 3/22/17 at 8:13 am
Posted on 3/22/17 at 8:11 am to SummerOfGeorge
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There are 2-3 games for every school that their fanbase cares about. Those should be protected.
No they shouldn't be. Not in a 14 team division. The entire conference schedule should rotate, "rivalry" games be damned.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 8:12 am to SummerOfGeorge
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The problem is divisions. Alabama playing Arkansas every year and South Carolina twice in a decade is stupid.
Bingo.
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